All The Things You Aren't Supposed to Talk About : Politics, Religion, & Money! && Grammar!!

simplyTravis

Lamer Gamers Podcast Co-Host
Neoliberal ideology is inherently internationalist. Yeah, Texas can say it's nationalist, but the fact is that they still need immigrants to meet private prison quotas and the needs of those who enforce wage deflationary manual labor.

Emigration to Spain increased tenfold after Franco liberalized the economy, and he's often said to be a nationalist.
Holy neo-socialist talking points, Batman! You didn't address anything I stated regarding nationalism and laissez faire ideologies being compatible or incompatible.
 
Holy neo-socialist talking points, Batman! You didn't address anything I stated regarding nationalism and laissez faire ideologies being compatible or incompatible.
If left up to the unbridled forces of the free market, who do you think would be the first to be hired? A completely "free" labor market would not have anything to do with any nationalist sentiment.

“Wages in rich countries are determined more by immigration control than anything else, including any minimum wage legislation. How is the immigration maximum determined? Not by the ‘free’ labour market, which, if left alone, will end up replacing 80–90 per cent of native workers with cheaper, and often more productive, immigrants. Immigration is largely settled by politics. So, if you have any residual doubt about the massive role that the government plays in the economy’s free market, then pause to reflect that all our wages are, at root, politically determined.”
Chang, Ha-Joon. 2011. 23 Things they Don’t Tell you about Capitalism, Thing 1: There is no such thing as a free market

“… the living standards of the huge majority of people in rich countries critically depend on the existence of the most draconian control over their labour markets – immigration control. Despite this, immigration control is invisible to many and deliberately ignored by others, when they talk about the virtues of the free market.

I have already argued (see Thing 1) that there really is no such thing as a free market, but the example of immigration control reveals the sheer extent of market regulation that we have in supposedly free-market economies but fail to see. While they complain about minimum wage legislation, regulations on working hours, and various ‘artificial’ entry barriers into the labour market imposed by trade unions, few economists even mention immigration control as one of those nasty regulations hampering the workings of the free labour market. Hardly any of them advocates the abolition of immigration control. But, if they are to be consistent, they should also advocate free immigration. The fact that few of them do once again proves my point in Thing 1 that the boundary of the market is politically determined and that free-market economists are as ‘political’ as those who want to regulate markets. …

Countries have the right to decide how many immigrants they accept and in which parts of the labour market. All societies have limited capabilities to absorb immigrants, who often have very different cultural backgrounds, and it would be wrong to demand that a country goes over that limit. Too rapid an inflow of immigrants will not only lead to a sudden increase in competition for jobs but also stretch the physical and social infrastructures, such as housing and healthcare, and create tensions with the resident population. As important, if not as easily quantifiable, is the issue of national identity. It is a myth – a necessary myth, but a myth nonetheless – that nations have immutable national identities that cannot be, and should not be, changed. However, if there are too many immigrants coming in at the same time, the receiving society will have problems creating a new national identity, without which it may find it difficult to maintain social cohesion. This means that the speed and the scale of immigration need to be controlled.”
Chang, Ha-Joon. 2011. 23 Things they Don’t Tell you about Capitalism, Thing 3: Most people in rich countries are paid more than they should be
 

Goodtwin

Well-Known Member
I'm starting to hate politics more than usual. When people are so eager to demonize anyone, including the youth of America to push a narrative, I am losing faith in the idea that compromise can be reached. The far left has decided it is alright to silence conservatives in any and all ways possible. Threats of violence, actual physical violence, even on young people, I'm not sure if we can find common ground anymore. Unfortunately 85% of us are the working middle class who all have lots in common, but it feels like we are being pulled to pick a side. The way these young kids were demonized was disturbing for me, and even afterburner evidence vindicated them, many in the media still accuse them of wrong doing. How can you find common ground with people who would slander you into the dirt just to fit their narrative? You can't. Racism has been on the decline for generations, but I fear that this aggression towards young white Americans will only fuel a trend, where out of fear, they will gravitate towards truly racist groups in hopes of finding security and safety. A day where you can't wear a Make America Great Again without fear of violence against you is a huge step backwards for our society.
 
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