Automotive Enthusiast

Tucker

Tucker

“Do you happen to know how to fly this thing?”
#1
#1
As Mattavelle and Mr-Chris can attest to, I had to stop the chat dead cold when I saw this picture:
(Jaguar F-Type Coupé - it was always handsome as a drop-head, but this is steal-your-breath gorgeous)


Then I realized we didn't have an "Enthusiast" thread for the gear/petrol/motor head on TNE, so here we are---
 
EvilTw1n

EvilTw1n

Even my henchmen think I'm crazy.
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#5
#5
http://d3u67r7pp2lrq5.cloudfront.net/product_photos/10707418/petrolsexual-onshirt-orig_original.jpg

[You guys never heard the term before? Watch more Top Gear!]

I know at least them 3 are petrolsexuals
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Heh, the fine form of certain vehicles cannot be denied, and that Jag is absolutely stunning. I've always thought the XK was a bit too Aston (which makes sense, considering who designed it). That F-Type is pure sex, though.

I'm not nearly the petrolsexual that shoulder and Sir are, though. I'm not a real gear head. You ask me to work on a car, and I'll find a way to screw it up.

[BTW, check it out, solider - they moved the Mini's speedo/tach. Heresy!]
 
Tucker

Tucker

“Do you happen to know how to fly this thing?”
#6
#6
Oh trust me, I've seen a lot of Top Gear, but that term never ceases to surprise and entertain.
For me, I sort of started by learning about cars, and now I'm learning more and more how to fix them as time goes on. My 325i is going to be my first full restoration job once I have the funds to get cracking on it. I'm going to try and do most of it myself (save for some of the suspension work - I just don't have the kit to pull apart that ridiculous arrangement).
 
Shoulder

Shoulder

Your Resident Beardy Bear
#8
#8
http://d3u67r7pp2lrq5.cloudfront.net/product_photos/10707418/petrolsexual-onshirt-orig_original.jpg

[You guys never heard the term before? Watch more Top Gear!]

I know at least them 3 are petrolsexuals
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Heh, the fine form of certain vehicles cannot be denied, and that Jag is absolutely stunning. I've always thought the XK was a bit too Aston (which makes sense, considering who designed it). That F-Type is pure sex, though.

I'm not nearly the petrolsexual that shoulder and Sir are, though. I'm not a real gear head. You ask me to work on a car, and I'll find a way to screw it up.

[BTW, check it out, solider - they moved the Mini's speedo/tach. Heresy!]
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Yeah, I know they moved the speedo, which in the past was optional in the R50/R53 if you bought the navigation (which I don't have), but with the current gen MINIs, the navigation and speedo were in the same place. They only moved the speedo to where the tach was because the next-gen MINI and the BMW i series share the same platform, which has its advantages including reducing the costs of the MINI brand. But it also loses that MINI look in some respects. Lets just hope with it's three and four cylinder variants, it still drives like a MINI should.
 
Tucker

Tucker

“Do you happen to know how to fly this thing?”
#9
#9
So what racings sims do people reach for [and why]? Although I tend to use my PC primarily, I've stayed away from rFactor and iRacing on account of not owning an appropriate wheel (I do have the 360 Wireless one), or having space to set up said wheel. As it stands I reach first for Forza 4 and GT5 (haven't picked up 6 yet). I prefer Forza 4, but I pop on to GT5 for variety. For rally, I either reach for Colin McRae Rally .04 (Xbox), or WRC 4 (PC).


Of course, @mattavelle1 thinks F-Zero GX is more a simulation than any of this.
 
Shoulder

Shoulder

Your Resident Beardy Bear
#10
#10
Back during my days in PC Gaming, I was in love with such racing sims as NFS: Porsche Unleashed (which is sort of a hybrid arcade/sim), GT Legends, and GTR2. On consoles, it was Gran Turismo 3 and 4 on the PS2.
As far as other racing games go over the years, I loved Midtown Madness, NFS: Most Wanted (2005), NFS: Underground, F-Zero/X/GX, Extreme G, Cruis'n USA, Wave Race 64, GT64, San Francisco Rush, Mario Kart, etc.
In terms of racing sims of today, I would play NFS: Shift, and most recently Gran Turismo 6. This year I will give Project CARS a go also.
Like JRPGs, I don't play many racing sims, but when I do I get pretty engrossed in the experience. Hey, it's why I have a steering wheel set up in the form of the Logitech G25 attached to the Wheel Stand Pro. :)
 
EvilTw1n

EvilTw1n

Even my henchmen think I'm crazy.
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#13
#13
As I only have a PS2, Wii and Wii U, I've pretty much only gone back to Gran Turismo 4. I actually need to pop it back in soon; I've become quite a fan of the anime Initial D, and I've never driven the AE-86 / Trueno (and that looks like the post-accident car that Bunta tuned up, which would make it a gas to toss around). I absolutely have to. If you rendered GT4 at a higher resolution, I'd have little reason to even buy anything else, really (well, there is the atrocious AI...).

For Project CARS, they need to figure something out for a wheel. The Wii at least had this:
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wii-Speed-Force-Wireless-Nintendo/dp/B001D1MG7U

Which probably won't be compatible. I'd rather have pedals, but I'll pick my battles.
 
Shoulder

Shoulder

Your Resident Beardy Bear
#14
#14
As I only have a PS2, Wii and Wii U, I've pretty much only gone back to Gran Turismo 4. I actually need to pop it back in soon; I've become quite a fan of the anime Initial D, and I've never driven the AE-86 / Trueno (and that looks like the post-accident car that Bunta tuned up, which would make it a gas to toss around). I absolutely have to. If you rendered GT4 at a higher resolution, I'd have little reason to even buy anything else, really (well, there is the atrocious AI...).

For Project CARS, they need to figure something out for a wheel. The Wii at least had this:
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wii-Speed-Force-Wireless-Nintendo/dp/B001D1MG7U

Which probably won't be compatible. I'd rather have pedals, but I'll pick my battles.


According to Slightly Mad, they say the lack of analog triggers won't hinder the experience, as they have some sort of filter or something in the digital trigger that mimics the input of an analog trigger. I'll believe it when I see it though.
I still have my Logitech G25, so I would rather use that, but if the Gamepad usage is that good though with motion steering and analog sticks as the brake and accelerator, I might be a convert.
EDIT: Here's a link to what I'm talking about:
http://playeressence.com/slightly-mad-studios-discusses-wii-u-version-project-cars/
“The controller makes all the difference really. The ability to use it as a gyroscopic steering wheel, your track map, your rear-view mirror, your telemetry screen, an input device for changing your pit strategy, menu navigation etc.. that’s where you’ll be seeing the unique, enhanced experience that the gamepad offers over the standard Microsoft and Sony controllers. Gamers concerned over the digital triggers shouldn’t be – you can play Project CARS with keyboard keys that are inherently digital and we do input filtering to mimic the same effect as a pedal or analog trigger.
 
EvilTw1n

EvilTw1n

Even my henchmen think I'm crazy.
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#15
#15
Ah, good find. I was wondering exactly how they were going to deal with it, but I suppose a linearity filter will pretty much do the trick. You don't have the feel of pedal travel (or, tbh, the marvelous trigger travel you have on XB One), but I imagine that it's pretty easy to get acclimated to. The PS2's analog was pretty trash, tbh, and GT4 still felt great.

I'm not sold on floating tilt controls, though. I hated using the Wii remote that way, and I've already found the GamePad to not be much better for tilt controls in NFS:MWU. A shell with no base is useless to me. Perhaps something like this:

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18s42p9frxcrfjpg/ku-medium.jpg
 
Tucker

Tucker

“Do you happen to know how to fly this thing?”
#16
#16
As I only have a PS2, Wii and Wii U, I've pretty much only gone back to Gran Turismo 4. I actually need to pop it back in soon; I've become quite a fan of the anime Initial D, and I've never driven the AE-86 / Trueno (and that looks like the post-accident car that Bunta tuned up, which would make it a gas to toss around). I absolutely have to. If you rendered GT4 at a higher resolution, I'd have little reason to even buy anything else, really (well, there is the atrocious AI...).

For Project CARS, they need to figure something out for a wheel. The Wii at least had this:
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wii-Speed-Force-Wireless-Nintendo/dp/B001D1MG7U

Which probably won't be compatible. I'd rather have pedals, but I'll pick my battles.
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The issue I always had with GT4 was the lack of communication in the way of camera effects and subtle vibration. I could never feel the limit of grip, and therefore had trouble with it.
 
Shoulder

Shoulder

Your Resident Beardy Bear
#17
#17
When I played GT4, I used the right analog stick for braking and accelerating. The downside though was you could never brake and accelerate at the same time, so going through corners was sometimes tricky, especially with certain cars.
 
Tucker

Tucker

“Do you happen to know how to fly this thing?”
#19
#19
/is anxiously watching "that promo site with the ship" for the new Top Gear.
Yes, I download my Top Gear - three reasons I see nothing wrong with that:[list type=decimal][*]BBC Canada isn't available in HD in my area.[*]BBC America/Canada versions are cut down for ad-space.BBC 2/HD is free over the air in Britain.[/list type=decimal]
Come at me, bro!


Edit: It's up! OH YES!
 
theMightyME

theMightyME

Owner of The Total Screen
#20
#20
my friend just got some crazy wheel that fights back for the new GT on ps3.. he said it works on pretty much everything.... don't know if it is wireless, but if so wouldn't the maker just need to make it compatible?

IMO it is either analog stick controls, or full on mounted wheel with pedals... no inbetween
 
Shoulder

Shoulder

Your Resident Beardy Bear
#21
#21
/is anxiously watching "that promo site with the ship" for the new Top Gear.
Yes, I download my Top Gear - three reasons I see nothing wrong with that:[list type=decimal][*]BBC Canada isn't available in HD in my area.[*]BBC America/Canada versions are cut down for ad-space.BBC 2/HD is free over the air in Britain.[/list type=decimal]
Come at me, bro!


Edit: It's up! OH YES!
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Even Andy Wilman, Producer of Top Gear, has no issue of people downloading Top Gear. He wants people to watch it, by any means necessary.
One of my biggest beefs with re-runs or episodes on Netflix is the music has changed in many cases, which is such a shame. Some of the music I've grown to love over the years such as U.N.K.L.E, Ludovico Einaudi, Amon Tobin, and Hybrid, I all first heard from an episode of Top Gear.
 
Tucker

Tucker

“Do you happen to know how to fly this thing?”
#22
#22
Yeah, it's odd how they put the UK cuts up on Netflix, but use the US market music (BBC being not for profit in Britain gives them a lot of leeway with copyright).
I'm thinking I'll source out some higher quality downloads of their earlier stuff (can't remember when I started acquiring in HD) for my PS3 Media Server re-run pleasure.
 
Shoulder

Shoulder

Your Resident Beardy Bear
#23
#23
Yeah, it's odd how they put the UK cuts up on Netflix, but use the US market music (BBC being not for profit in Britain gives them a lot of leeway with copyright).
I'm thinking I'll source out some higher quality downloads of their earlier stuff (can't remember when I started acquiring in HD) for my PS3 Media Server re-run pleasure.
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Top Gear started HD in Season 14, so for HD airings, you should start there. As far as the earlier seasons, I know you can find higher quality airings of seasons 1-7, and I believe seasons 8-13 were all already higher quality to begin with. I take it you are familar with FinalGear, correct?
 
Tucker

Tucker

“Do you happen to know how to fly this thing?”
#24
#24
Yeah, it's odd how they put the UK cuts up on Netflix, but use the US market music (BBC being not for profit in Britain gives them a lot of leeway with copyright).
I'm thinking I'll source out some higher quality downloads of their earlier stuff (can't remember when I started acquiring in HD) for my PS3 Media Server re-run pleasure.
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Top Gear started HD in Season 14, so for HD airings, you should start there. As far as the earlier seasons, I know you can find higher quality airings of seasons 1-7, and I believe seasons 8-13 were all already higher quality to begin with. I take it you are familar with FinalGear, correct?
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Uhm, no actually.
 
Shoulder

Shoulder

Your Resident Beardy Bear
#25
#25
Yeah, it's odd how they put the UK cuts up on Netflix, but use the US market music (BBC being not for profit in Britain gives them a lot of leeway with copyright).
I'm thinking I'll source out some higher quality downloads of their earlier stuff (can't remember when I started acquiring in HD) for my PS3 Media Server re-run pleasure.
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Top Gear started HD in Season 14, so for HD airings, you should start there. As far as the earlier seasons, I know you can find higher quality airings of seasons 1-7, and I believe seasons 8-13 were all already higher quality to begin with. I take it you are familar with FinalGear, correct?
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Uhm, no actually.
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http://www.finalgear.com
You'll thank me later. ;)
 
Tucker

Tucker

“Do you happen to know how to fly this thing?”
#26
#26
Holy jesus that's quite the thing.
Also, Top Gear Australia is still on the air? I remember being bored to death with that one.


Edit: I think that site will make me finally watch Top Gear America.
 
Shoulder

Shoulder

Your Resident Beardy Bear
#27
#27
Holy jesus that's quite the thing.
Also, Top Gear Australia is still on the air? I remember being bored to death with that one.


Edit: I think that site will make me finally watch Top Gear America.
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Supposedly, TG America is getting pretty good, actually better than TG Australia last I heard. If you check the forums there, you'll hear a lot of what people are talking about, although I haven't checked it myself.
 
EvilTw1n

EvilTw1n

Even my henchmen think I'm crazy.
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#28
#28
:-O

I had never seen the FinalGear web site, either. Damnit. Wish I could DL the episodes for watching on my Wii U. Might finally get me to buy a ChromeCast.
 
Shoulder

Shoulder

Your Resident Beardy Bear
#29
#29
:-O

I had never seen the FinalGear web site, either. Damnit. Wish I could DL the episodes for watching on my Wii U. Might finally get me to buy a ChromeCast.
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I have every single episode of Top Gear on an external HDD, which is connected to my PS3 (Can't remember the exact number, but it's over 100GB), and I use that for my Top Gear viewing. Now keep in mind that all HD episodes (Season 14 and on) are in MKV files, which of course don't natively work on PS3, so my brother simply converts them to MP4 files, and I can then watch them there.
EDIT: I've thought about upgrading my HDD in my PS3 from the standard 160GB, to a 500GB or so, and then keep all my episodes on there. It would be nice if the Wii U offered similar playback to what the PS3 does. It has Netflix, Amazon Instant, Hulu Plus, TVii, and of course the fantastic Browser, so we know it's capable of being a secondary media player. How about allowing external playback of music and videos?
 
Tucker

Tucker

“Do you happen to know how to fly this thing?”
#30
#30
Even easier than converting them to MP4 files? http://www.ps3mediaserver.org/
I can provide configuration information for anyone who wants to use this. Its default behaviour of re-encode everything is far from ideal.
 
Shoulder

Shoulder

Your Resident Beardy Bear
#31
#31
Even easier than converting them to MP4 files? http://www.ps3mediaserver.org/
I can provide configuration information for anyone who wants to use this. Its default behaviour of re-encode everything is far from ideal.
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I've heard of that, but haven't tried it. My method has always been to encode the videos into a more universal format, and then directly connect them to the source rather than stream them (in this case, external HDD to PS3). I've thought about doing stuff via stream, but considering most of my video viewing is either youtube on my laptop, netflix, and amazon instant video, I don't collect videos on my HDD as often as I used to. In fact, Top Gear is really the only video I really keep on a HDD these days (besides porn, because, well, priorities), and a few other misc vids here and there. I don't have hundreds and hundreds of gigabytes of videos like some do, so streaming those hasn't been my preferred method.
 
Tucker

Tucker

“Do you happen to know how to fly this thing?”
#32
#32
Oh, see, I have three 1tb drives for storage. One drive has some unsorted download storage, and another has my working storage, but probably about 2.5tb between the three are for media. That said, I do use my acquired content significantly less than I have in the past, what with Netflix and such, but it's still an invaluable resource.
I'll make it noted that I do prefer to get my movies on blu-ray when I can.
 
Shoulder

Shoulder

Your Resident Beardy Bear
#33
#33
Same here really. I don't like buying movies digitally, nor music for that matter, although I make some exceptions for both. Over the last few yesrs, I've learned to trim out the excess on my HDD and get rid of the stuff that I truly won't miss, or which I can easily find online. Netflix, and Amazon Instant have provided a ton of movie and TV show content that I haven't bought physical media in months. If it's a movie I absolutely have to have, I'll get it on Blu-Ray, but for most movies I can always watch it via streaming.
Between all my Top Gear vids and other assorted videos, my music and movies and TV shows on iTunes, and my Photos, that only adds up to around 400GB worth of data. I also don't have a Gaming PC, so I don't have dozens and dozens of games on a HDD to keep track of.
Space is incredibly cheap these days, but at some point I thought to myself of what I honestly need to have on HDDs. And honestly, there's not much. Even my stuff on iTunes, most of it is either tied to my account, or I have physical media for it. I also have an entire back-up of my iTunes library, as well as a full back-up on my Macbook Pro (via Time Machine). I have one HDD that's dedicated to backing up my PS3, one to back up my MBP, and the other one is for iTunes, and all my photos and videos. They are 250GB, 500GB, and 750GB, respectively. I also have another 250GB 3.5" HDD which I use for my Wii U that came from my old Gaming PC. Needless to say, I have more HDD space than what I use currently.
One last thing I plan to do with my aging MBP is upgrade to a SSD, and then in about a year or two when I finally upgrade to a newer Mac, I'll take that SSD and put it into my future Gaming PC.
 
Tucker

Tucker

“Do you happen to know how to fly this thing?”
#34
#34
Two of my 1TB drives only cost me $50 a piece :p

That said, I'll always own a tower for my primary PC. With that said, it makes popping in drives is no big.
 
Shoulder

Shoulder

Your Resident Beardy Bear
#35
#35
Two of my 1TB drives only cost me $50 a piece :p

That said, I'll always own a tower for my primary PC. With that said, it makes popping in drives is no big.
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I'll likely be getting a 1TB drive (500GB minimum) for my upcoming Gaming PC, and then add a SSD down the road when I retire my MBP.
 
Tucker

Tucker

“Do you happen to know how to fly this thing?”
#37
#37
Been watching American Top Gear. Once you get into the middle of Season 1, and into Season 2 (where I am right now), it's basically a weekly cheap car challenge. It lacks the substance of BBC Top Gear, but it's a hell of a lot of fun, and all the good stuff all the time. They even came up with their own way to do the reasonably priced car segment in S02. That said, I think the production team still isn't used to this "having commercials" nonsense, so it can be a lot terse in the editing from time to time.
 
Shoulder

Shoulder

Your Resident Beardy Bear
#38
#38
Been watching American Top Gear. Once you get into the middle of Season 1, and into Season 2 (where I am right now), it's basically a weekly cheap car challenge. It lacks the substance of BBC Top Gear, but it's a hell of a lot of fun, and all the good stuff all the time. They even came up with their own way to do the reasonably priced car segment in S02. That said, I think the production team still isn't used to this "having commercials" nonsense, so it can be a lot terse in the editing from time to time.
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I think this is precisely why I was always so reluctant to give TG USA a try because of the commercials. I can barely watch TG on BBC America because of the damn commercials. Well, that and the different music used, which hinders the quality of the segments I think. Music can make or break a TV show, movie, video game when used. It's why I like TRON: Legacy so much because of Daft Punk.
 
Tucker

Tucker

“Do you happen to know how to fly this thing?”
#39
#39
Been watching American Top Gear. Once you get into the middle of Season 1, and into Season 2 (where I am right now), it's basically a weekly cheap car challenge. It lacks the substance of BBC Top Gear, but it's a hell of a lot of fun, and all the good stuff all the time. They even came up with their own way to do the reasonably priced car segment in S02. That said, I think the production team still isn't used to this "having commercials" nonsense, so it can be a lot terse in the editing from time to time.
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I think this is precisely why I was always so reluctant to give TG USA a try because of the commercials. I can barely watch TG on BBC America because of the damn commercials. Well, that and the different music used, which hinders the quality of the segments I think. Music can make or break a TV show, movie, video game when used. It's why I like TRON: Legacy so much because of Daft Punk.
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Well, I'm using the content supplied by Final Gear, but you're still aware it's there. In the case of TopGear on BBC America, they're cutting it down for the commercials.
 
EvilTw1n

EvilTw1n

Even my henchmen think I'm crazy.
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#41
#41
Oh I am tempted. So tempted.
http://www.fitzmall.com/Inventory/Detail/WMWRE33432TD50409/USED-2002-Mini-Cooper%20Hardtop

But even with low mileage, it's a 12 year old car, the gas mileage isn't great, and it'll need high octane gas. I'm checking to see if they'll transfer it here for a test drive, at least.
 
Shoulder

Shoulder

Your Resident Beardy Bear
#42
#42
Oh I am tempted. So tempted.
http://www.fitzmall.com/Inventory/Detail/WMWRE33432TD50409/USED-2002-Mini-Cooper%20Hardtop

But even with low mileage, it's a 12 year old car, the gas mileage isn't great, and it'll need high octane gas. I'm checking to see if they'll transfer it here for a test drive, at least.
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Can't hurt to give it a test drive. Right away I notice it has the aftermarket head unit, intake, and exhaust. I can't make out the make of the intake and exhaust though. But with the intake, you'll definitely hear the whine of the supercharger more, so that is something to think about. I personally LOVE the whine, so when I upgraded to a different intake, the added sound was so glorious.

And since it has lower miles, that does make it quite attractive.
 
EvilTw1n

EvilTw1n

Even my henchmen think I'm crazy.
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#44
#44
I sent 'em an email and got a reply. Can't transfer it to my local Fitz, since it has a few test drives scheduled. According to the sales rep, at least, which means A) the car really is going to move quickly or, b) they just don't want to transfer commission down to another store.

I don't mind an older car, save for the bits that just go wrong on older cars (ball joints, cracked hoses and belts, leaks, electrical system problems). But with shoulder's keen eye up there, it looks like the owner of this one kept pretty good care of this as a weekend driver (no other way to have a 12 year old car with that mileage).
 
Tucker

Tucker

“Do you happen to know how to fly this thing?”
#45
#45
That said, I'm not sure I'd be busting my wad on a Mini. Personal preference I guess, but I don't think I could spend real money (beyond a couple g's) on anything FWD.
But I'm weird, so there you have it.
 
EvilTw1n

EvilTw1n

Even my henchmen think I'm crazy.
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#46
#46
I'd like a BRZ as much as the next guy, but after this winter, I'm in no hurry for a RWD car. I'm not married to the idea of a Mini, but it just ticks all of the right boxes.

-small and two door (the number of times I need four doors is virtually nil)
-handles decently
-doesn't look absolutely horrendous (I'm looking at you, Mazda 2)
-easy to find a manual trans
-relatively affordable (at least on the used market)
-fun, but not so much fun that I get points on my license

But the extra on high octane would suck.
 
Tucker

Tucker

“Do you happen to know how to fly this thing?”
#47
#47
Well, not all RWD cars are created equal. My 1995 325i that is parked at the moment is by far the easiest car I've ever driven in the snow; it tops the Golf handily.
 
EvilTw1n

EvilTw1n

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#48
#48
Weight distribution matters, but it does tend to help having the engine right over your wheels up here. I once drove a Ford Crown Victoria through a blizzard in the mountains...and although a bit of a fun adventure (nothing like getting halfway up a steep slope, losing traction, coming to a stop, then babying it back down the mountain backwards, hoping there's no traffic back there), I'm not in a hurry to try it again.
 
Shoulder

Shoulder

Your Resident Beardy Bear
#49
#49
With a set of snows, the FR-S or he BRZ should handle pretty well in the snow. As far as MINIs go, I drive mine all year round, and have a set of snows and it has little issue driving in those conditions. In fact, I feel safer driving my MINI in the snow as opposed to your average SUV or truck. Tires are more important than most people realize.
 
Tucker

Tucker

“Do you happen to know how to fly this thing?”
#50
#50
Weight distribution matters, but it does tend to help having the engine right over your wheels up here. I once drove a Ford Crown Victoria through a blizzard in the mountains...and although a bit of a fun adventure (nothing like getting halfway up a steep slope, losing traction, coming to a stop, then babying it back down the mountain backwards, hoping there's no traffic back there), I'm not in a hurry to try it again.
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More important than weight distribution is the differential. A good traction control system doesn't hurt either. Crown Vic's have an open dif, which is what makes them frisky in the snow.
 
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