Discussion of the TOS

Menashe

Moderator
Moderator
#1
The purpose of the TOS is to serve our community, not to impose stupid rules and regulations that hold people down. It's supposed to trim down on trolls and enhance the quality of "life" on the boards. So, we leave it up to all of you to help us write the Terms of Service. Where do we draw the line? What is off-limits and what is not off-limits? When do we punish trolls? How far do they have to go? Should we leave it up to the moderators understanding the community intimately enough to user their own common judgement or should there be rules set in stone?

Discuss! We'll finalize on a TOS based on the popular opinions. Maybe even a vote or something like that.
 

mattavelle1

IT’S GOT A DEATH RAY!
Moderator
#2
I always thought (and I maybe a minority lol) but no nude pics on the board is a good thing. Keep it classy
 
#3
An occasional curse word should be acceptable but a blatant over use of it should be punishable. No racism. No recurring trolling. I think since a lot of us are friends here it might be messed up if someone was banned for making a joke troll thread but if we saw it continuing then we know they are not pure of heart lol. No bashing of other users. Must praise dark_heartless_riku at any chance possible. Thats all I have for now. I think TOS should be enforcing what we all know is right and not enforcing law like a computer.
 

Juegos

All mods go to heaven.
Moderator
#5
Basically, we can encapsulate a bunch of rules under "no discrimination", such as racism, "consolism", attacks on sexual preferences, etc.

I agree with the "no nudes" rule above of course, and I'd push it to "no sex-eye-candy" threads. That is to say, we shouldn't allow "Kate Upton tits" threads because as good as they are, I don't think they do anything for the community, and may attract less stimulating people and throw the forums more into Vesti or /v/ territory.

I agree with having little cursing, while not enforcing it like Hitler. In IGN, you can actually get banned for saying "shit". I hope we can say "shit" whenever we need strong emphasis here without being afraid of getting banned, such as in the phrase "Superman 64 is shit". At the same time, I would think common sense would make us censor the words when emphasis isn't so important, like in the phrase "Nintondo is for kiddiez and s***".

I don't know how everyone feels about piracy. I think homebrew is perfectly safe to talk about, but I wouldn't like seeing people talk about how they got BLOPS 2 a week before launch and are seeding a torrent. Ever since Red Steel 2 got pirated more than it sold, pirate talk like that just pisses me off. I don't know where we would sit on emulation, I'll leave the theorizing to other people.

No gore, or exceedingly morbid images etc.

Some forums frown very heavily over their members advertising in their posts, but I think we need to be clearer about that. We ourselves ended up here being advertised to, and I think if anything we should take advantage of opportunities members present when they embark on their own designs. Like say, Mattavelle here decides to start his website and advertises through the boards. Instead of banning him, we should talk to him about helping each other create better things, etc. Just a rambling thought, but I think that kind of trust between admins and community should be there.
Selling Nike Air shoes and Russian penis pumps should definitely be punishable by Bat-signal, though.

I can't think of other suggestions right now, I'll come back later when others have given their 2 cents.
 
#6
Homebrew like you said should be acceptable because its legal and its the only way I was able to play the gloriousness of Xenoblade with the UK copy. 6 months before US announcement. Emulation should be acceptable as well like the Wii Dolphin Emulator because the games are actually run through the Wii console itself with legal copies of the game purchased. Now anything with seeding like you said should not be acceptable.
 

repomech

resident remnant robot relic
#7
First off I just wanted to say how impressed I am by the way you're all opening up this process for a community to participate in the shaping of itself. Respect.

As to some suggestions...

"Consolism" hahahaha. What a sad commentary on the pathologies of a section of gaming hobbyists that a word like that would even make sense to create in order to stigmatize and proscribe certain asinine behaviour. Hahahahaha. Sorry that, just made my day. But for real that probably does need to be prohibited in the terms of service or - perhaps confined to a single "yo momma" type thread that could be stickied for those who find they really need the cathartic release, even if just on occasion (hell, if people raised it to an art-form it might even get entertaining at times). So the rule could be something to the effect of: No consolism outside of the "Yo Console's so.../Official Consolism Thread".

"Piracy". I don't see any reason that the site should be expected to open itself up to possible issues that could arise from threads openly linking to or coordinating actual acts. But my humble (yet fervently held) opinion is that there should be full freedom of expression on all questions, positions, views, and issues relating to piracy and intellectual property as a topic of discussion and matter of debate.

I'm going to reflect a bit more on the issue of duplicate threads - as I'm not sure how to suggest framing it (there's a lot of degrees and grey area), but it's something I would just raise in case it has been on anyone's mind or strikes them as important.

Finally - and I don't know if this is something there's an appetite for, or whether there is a strong preference to do this once and have that stand - but it strikes me that the community is so new, practically a seed, and it's going to grow organically in likely unpredictable ways - so maybe once a year for a short window there could be an open review of the forum rules so that it can be a working "constitution" of sorts. That way if new issues arise, or certain rules/guidelines prove to be unnecessarily restrictive or permissive, they can be revisited and grow with the community. Food for thought.
 

DarkDepths

Your friendly neighbourhood robot overlord
#8
I have a couple of thoughts, and I'll break them down by category:

- Swearing:
I think I agree with Juegos. As long as it's not being used excessively, I don't think it's much of a problem.

- Piracy:
I don't think we should have to pretend that it doesn't exist. At the same time, I don't think we ought to be discussing how to pirate games and the like. Meta discussions on the topic, in other words, then, are fine, in my opinion.

-Advertising:
I don't see a problem with letting people advertise a bit. However, again, I think moderation is the key here. And I don't mean moderation as in "Moderators," but in the "everything in moderation" sense. If it's in your signature, I think that's OK. If you talk about it in a post, I'm cool with that. If you work it into every single post you make, no matter how relevant or well thought out the rest of the post is, I think that's pushing it.

-Duplicate Threads:
I think it just makes sense to keep significantly similar topics together in one thread. Why we need 3 topics, for example, to discuss a single piece of info. I think it would just clutter up the forums and confuse the discussion. I think if there is a duplicate thread, we should either delete it if it's brand new, and send a message to the author telling them that it was a duplicate of another, or merge it with an existing thread if it's already got some replies.

-Rule Review:
At the moment, I think the group is good enough that rule breaking probably won't be much of an issue, but the site is going to grow over time and whether we want them or not, the unsavory will come, and I think our rules are going to have to evolve with the site. That means that while our rules might be able to be kept fairly liberal right now, we might see the need to make them a bit stricter in the future. I think the Rules should ALWAYS be open for discussion, and the Moderation team should always be allowed to use their best judgment. Though, if a moderator seems to be getting out of hand, maybe we can hold a tribunal or something!
 

Juegos

All mods go to heaven.
Moderator
#9
I love repomech's idea of a "Yo Console's so.../Official Consolism Thread".
"Yo console's so dumb, it ain't even do bump mapping"

"Oh yeah well, yo console's so ugly, it had to get redesigned twice"

I'll try to consolidate some of the other points brought up after more posters have posted.
 

mattavelle1

IT’S GOT A DEATH RAY!
Moderator
#11
Ok I'm against swearing on the board. Not that I don't swear cause I do not gonna lie. But I just saw on IGN that they got a new TOS and it makes cussing legal. And I read the thread in the lobby were they announced it. And it's like a bunch of 8 year olds learning to cuss on the school bus.

I don't know, it's just kinda looks childish when everyone is doing it like that. And I'm not sure what y'all think but as right now after looking at that thread I am extremly unimpressed.
 
#12
I concur with Mike D.

but on another note, I would like to see... uh.. everything these people said before me. I can't think of anything else to add.

but I think cursing should be legal! Buttfuckery for everyone! HUZZAH!!!
 

Menashe

Moderator
Moderator
#13
So far what I'm getting from this is:

1) No nudes
2) Cursing is allowed unless someone goes way overboard with it
3) Recurrent trolling gets the person banned. Mods should understand the forum community and ban based on that
4) Making mistakes are okay. There are exceptions to the rules. The forum shouldn't be the military.
5) No discrimination, hate, racism, etc.
6) Spam advertising is an instant delete-user. But advertising your gaming-related content is all fine unless it is excessive and disturbs others
7) Discussing the topic of piracy is fine, but engaging in or spreading piracy on the forums is not allowed
8) Duplicate topics isn't a crime but mods should try and keep similarly-themed threads to a minimum. There is even a function built-in to the boards to consolidate one thread with another.
9) Must praise dark_heartless_riku at any chance possible. Hey, no one seemed to argue with this one.



The rules and regulations should be reviewed every once in a while or if someone has a major suggestion we can take a vote at any time if it seems pressing enough.
 

TechnoHobbit

Ash nazg durbatulûk
#14
"mattavelle1" wrote: Ok I'm against swearing on the board. Not that I don't swear cause I do not gonna lie. But I just saw on IGN that they got a new TOS and it makes cussing legal. And I read the thread in the lobby were they announced it. And it's like a bunch of 8 year olds learning to cuss on the school bus.

I don't know, it's just kinda looks childish when everyone is doing it like that. And I'm not sure what y'all think but as right now after looking at that thread I am extremly unimpressed.
^This^
 

Menashe

Moderator
Moderator
#15
Thing is, I'd feel bad if someone is just trying to express themselves and throws in a curse word as they would in normal life and then we'd go and ban them. In IGN everyone's going nuts because it's like they just got out of jail for the first time and everyone is testing out their new freedom. Over here, I hope it would just be used as in normal conversation and somewhat sparingly.
 
#16
"Menashe" wrote: Thing is, I'd feel bad if someone is just trying to express themselves and throws in a curse word as they would in normal life and then we'd go and ban them. In IGN everyone's going nuts because it's like they just got out of jail for the first time and everyone is testing out their new freedom. Over here, I hope it would just be used as in normal conversation and somewhat sparingly.
indeed. It calmed down relatively quickly and no one has cussed since, really. Hey, whatever allows me to post image macros without have to black out any bad words helps.
 

mattavelle1

IT’S GOT A DEATH RAY!
Moderator
#17
"Acesonnall" wrote: I'm fine with any TOS rule so long as admins are able to use their personal judgement when choosing when to enforce the law on someone unlike what IGN does.
Im very much for this rule. As far as the swearing, hey so many more are wanting it, Im the low man on the totem pole I know how to conside and just say this. I hope its isnt some crazy cussfest, cause it just looked bad. But if yall want it then fine, but there has gotta be some type of line.
 
#18
"mattavelle1" wrote:
"Acesonnall" wrote:I'm fine with any TOS rule so long as admins are able to use their personal judgement when choosing when to enforce the law on someone unlike what IGN does.
Im very much for this rule. As far as the swearing, hey so many more are wanting it, Im the low man on the totem pole I know how to conside and just say this. I hope its isnt some crazy cussfest, cause it just looked bad. But if yall
want it then fine, but there has gotta be some type of line.
 

mattavelle1

IT’S GOT A DEATH RAY!
Moderator
#20
"Acesonnall" wrote: Another piece of IGN's logic that shouldn't be followed: If there is unrest in the community or in a thread because of a couple of borderline trolls/trolls, ban the person arguing with those the borderline trolls/trolls.

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If there is obvious trolling and someone either flames the troll or picks up an argument with the troll. Just use personal judgement and ban the obvious troll and warn the user who flamed the troll that flaming doesn't solve the problem. Don't ban the person arguing or flaming the troll while letting the troll walk. Something I hate that IGN does.

It's like they purposely let trolls come on the boards and release their wrath just to test the spirit and integrity of the existing users.
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EvilTw1n

Even my henchmen think I'm crazy.
Moderator
#21
"mattavelle1" wrote:
"Acesonnall" wrote:
Another piece of IGN's logic that shouldn't be followed: If there is unrest in the community or in a thread because of a couple of borderline trolls/trolls, ban the person arguing with those the borderline trolls/trolls.

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If there is obvious trolling and someone either flames the troll or picks up an argument with the troll. Just use personal judgement and ban the obvious troll and warn the user who flamed the troll that flaming doesn't solve the problem. Don't ban the person arguing or flaming the troll while letting the troll walk. Something I hate that IGN does.

It's like they purposely let trolls come on the boards and release their wrath just to test the spirit and integrity of the existing users.
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Yeah, I'm down with this rule. I know the mods at IGN always say "just report trolling," but some stuff is not reportable...it's just stupid. And banning someone for pointing out a troll's stupidity is kinda self defeating. Hell, that may very well be how IGN lost Indy.
 

nerdman

pig's gotta fly
#22
The thing about trolling is that it's all about bypassing TOS rules for the only purpose of starting bullshit. One thing I've seen from successful forums is a catch-all rule to stop a troll who hasn't technically broken your TOS. For the penny arcade forums, it's the "don't be a dick" rule.

Maybe we could use something similar.
 

mattavelle1

IT’S GOT A DEATH RAY!
Moderator
#23
"nerdman" wrote: The thing about trolling is that it's all about bypassing TOS rules for the only purpose of starting bullshit. One thing I've seen from successful forums is a catch-all rule to stop a troll who hasn't technically broken your TOS. For the penny arcade forums, it's the "don't be a dick" rule.

Maybe we could use something similar.
"Like"........actually "love".............dammit we need a love button.......at the least a like button......but I would love this post if I could
. I will atleast by this post dinner first.
 
#24
No gore or sexually explicit content of any kind. Neither would attract the kind of community you're trying to build.

No form of harassment is allowable-- where harassment can be defined as a repeated ad hominem attack against an unwilling individual not participating in discussion with the aggressor.

Posting any content obviously with the intent to upset or anger members of the community should not be allowable. Common sense applies-- i.e. a thread thread with racist overtones wouldn't be allowable, whereas another thread that lists legitimate worries about a Nintendo product would be allowable.

Flooding a board with threads containing content unrelated to its named purpose should not be allowable.

Flooding a thread with any sort of content unrelated to it's named purpose should not be allowable.
 

Juegos

All mods go to heaven.
Moderator
#25
"Apocalypse" wrote: No gore or sexually explicit content of any kind. Neither would attract the kind of community you're trying to build.

No form of harassment is allowable-- where harassment can be defined as a repeated ad hominem attack against an unwilling individual not participating in discussion with the aggressor.

Posting any content obviously with the intent to upset or anger members of the community should not be allowable. Common sense applies-- i.e. a thread thread with racist overtones wouldn't be allowable, whereas another thread that lists legitimate worries about a Nintendo product would be allowable.

Flooding a board with threads containing content unrelated to its named purpose should not be allowable.

Flooding
a thread with any sort of content unrelated to it's named purpose should not be allowable.
I think the word "flooding" is key here. If we're on a thread about classic NES games and some people strike up a conversation about how neither of them could ever get past Stage 11 in Battletoads, then I'm totally down for it, and would hope to join the conversation as well.


But if these people are just posting pictures of cats/furries/ponies back and forth, then I'm simply going to delete those posts, and the users will end up with a warning (or ban if it's a repeat, or done with trolling intentions).
Same for threads: the occasional off-topic thread ("Menashe just had his 12th child, let's congratulate him!" for example) is totally fine with me, but if some guy is frequently making threads about totally off-topic stuff (or fills the page with off-topic stuff in a single wave), then obviously that's not tolerable.

That's how I see that.
 
#26
What? No affiliate links to "Buy Excellent Fashion Shoe Direct China 95% DISCOUNT!"? No "Buy Cialis for Be Happy Now, No Credit Card Required!"?

BTW, we need to go beyond the call of duty to keep sexual predators out, 'cause nitedno is teh kiddy!


on a serious note, threats of any kind should be absolutely be a permanent ban at the IP level. also, needs to be a mechanism in place to immediately alert authorities in case of serious specific threats.
 

DarkKevit

That old bloke from Crete...
#27
"nerdman" wrote: The thing about trolling is that it's all about bypassing TOS rules for the only purpose of starting bullshit. One thing I've seen from successful forums is a catch-all rule to stop a troll who hasn't technically broken your TOS. For the penny arcade forums, it's the "don't be a dick" rule.

Maybe we could use something similar.
I second, third and fourth this idea. Hopefully the mods here will actually 'mod' unlike over at IGN, where they seem uninterested at best, and just not in touch with any sense of reality in who is, and is not, trolling. For acesonall to get a ban, and some of the other douches to still be posting their 100% negative crapola is what is driving me away from the place.

As to a TOS in general, it seems like most of the ground has been covered nicely. I don't personally want to see cursing banned completely, as sometimes nothing else will do, but over the top swearing for no reason should prob get a polite warning.
As to piracy, posts on how to do it, or bragging about it have to be bannable IMHO, it is the scourge of the industry. This does not include Homebrew chat of course, my own Wii is Homebrewed, and it is a far better console to use because of it. I could not have had the wonderful Trauma Team without it, why did no one buy this game?

Bigotry and hate posting of any kind should be a big no-no, as should personal insults and attacks. Apart from these obvious things, I say leave it up to the mods, and if the community feel any mod is abusing his/her position they should have a way to discuss this, and work it out.
 

Juegos

All mods go to heaven.
Moderator
#28
I'm always for giving chances. He is an intelligent guy, we'll see whether he's here to make intelligent conversations or troll. I think he trolled on the IGN boards because he was too bored with the users/conversations there, so it might be different here.
 
#29
"juegosmajicos" wrote: I'm always for giving chances. He is an intelligent guy, we'll see whether he's here to make intelligent conversations or troll. I think he trolled on the IGN boards because he was too bored with the users/conversations there, so it might be different here.
I'll reserve my judgement about the intelligence, but I think we should actually give him a chance, and only ban a poster when they actually do something that is worth banning them for. He was worthy of being perma'd at IGN, but as long as he's behaving here, I don't see why we should kick him out. Just my two cents. And now I'm broke.
 

DarkKevit

That old bloke from Crete...
#30
"hjort" wrote:
"juegosmajicos" wrote:I'm always for giving chances. He is an intelligent guy, we'll see whether he's here to make intelligent conversations or troll. I think he trolled on the IGN boards because he was too bored with the users/conversations there, so it might be different here.
I'll reserve my judgement about the intelligence, but I think we should actually give him a chance, and only ban a poster when they actually do something that is worth banning them for. He was worthy of being perma'd at IGN, but as long as he's behaving here, I don't see why we should kick him out. Just my two cents. And now I'm broke.
Well I agree with hjort and juegos on this one. Majorbuddah over at IGN was a real pain, and on my ignore list. Having said that, banning him when he has not done anything wrong here, well, it just seems like a slippery slope. It would surely not be a good precedent to set, banning a poster in case they break the rules, surely we are better than that.

If he is here to have serious debate about gaming topics, then he should be welcomed, but if he starts his old habits, then you should ban him.
 

mattavelle1

IT’S GOT A DEATH RAY!
Moderator
#31
If this is indeed the will of the counsel the Mattavelle will see it done. I will roll with y'all and I'm sorry for my quick judgement.
 

Majorbuddah

My real name is Dolemite
#33
"Acesonnall" wrote:
"Majorbuddah" wrote:
I'm totally feeling the love in here. GROUP HUG!
I don't even know why you try man. You know you can't help trolling.

I'll give you a fresh start though so welcome to the boards.

Lets see how long you'll last.
I have this cushy desk job where no one monitors my internet and I don't have any real responsibilities - just lot's of time and money to spend on vidya. I stir up boards because it's entertaining for me, but it's really too bad when others can't share in my sterling sense of humor. Plus I like to play devil's advocate a lot because conversations where everyone agrees are stale as hell. I can tell you with no ego that my knowledge of gaming is damn near encyclopedic, so I can add whatever perspective I want in whatever conversation I'm engaged in. Face it, player. You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." So... what's that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth. Even when I lie. So say good night to the bad guy! Come on. The last time you gonna see a bad guy like this again, let me tell you. Come on. Make way for the bad guy.
 
#34
Welcome to the boards, Major. May I suggest we continue this discussion or whatever it is in the CT instead? I have a feeling this could take up a whole lot of space in this thread if we let it.
 

Juegos

All mods go to heaven.
Moderator
#36
Welcome Buddha. I know most of the trouble IGN would get is not just because the TOS tolerates it, but because some users just get bored. To that end, I want to make the boards more interesting in the future (not in terms of intelligent users, which we already have, but in terms of making the system itself more rewarding to use), but that might take some time.

But yeah, let's keep this thread to only about developing a TOS that works for us all. I can't move posts, so if I think the thread needs pruning I'll just delete posts instead.
 

Juegos

All mods go to heaven.
Moderator
#38
In that case I'll try to summarize everything that has been said and edit it into the opening post, and then we can judge how we like it.
 

Juegos

All mods go to heaven.
Moderator
#40
I personally don't like them when they're secret alts. What's the point of forming part of a community if some of its members are just puppets?

If somebody creates an alt for eccentric reasons but doesn't hide the fact that he is a certain other user, then that's fine to me. Creating alts just for the purpose of playing around with a forum or run a "social experiment" is reproachable in my opinion, and shouldn't be allowed.
 

TechnoHobbit

Ash nazg durbatulûk
#41
Ah, the reason I was asking is because someone invited an alt of mine :D Most of my alts are just funny (<I'm not talking about the banned ones), I think I'll wait a year or two (if ever) before making one here though.
 

DarkKevit

That old bloke from Crete...
#42
With regard to the 'alt' issue, I have not got really strong feelings either way, but overall, I am against them. Speaking personally, if I was writing a post that I felt, on reading it through, I couldn't put my name to, then I would reconsider the post itself, not put it behind an alt account.
 

Cubits

Well-Known Member
#44
Some ideas:

Moderation staff can not use their powers from within a situation in which they are an invested party. If moderation is required for a situation, only third party observers can intervene.

No single moderater can hand down a ban unless TOS rules are blatantly disregarded. If it's a questionable situation, there's no way a single person should be able to use their discretion, but i wouldn't tolerate a user who uses loop-holes to harrass the community, and i don't want to have a prohibitively wordy TOS to stop that as it would turn into a bloated mass of nitpickery.

The TOS needs to be realised, and it needs to lay down the law for ALL members. This allows for "the line" to be in focus, removing the "grey zone" which some types of user enjoy exploiting on other forums. It also allows the entire community to see what is acceptable or not for every tier of member, and that is vitally important for maintaining a healthy relationship between the general users and the staff there to serve that community.

I'd like to see a TOS take shape sooner rather than later. While it's a great, idealist view to operate on the power of common sense, the difficultly of maintaining the forum that way will only grow as the community does.

There was one more rule raised in the chat tonight which seems useful, and reminds me of the ethos Google used to follow:

"Don't be a dick."

That really should be in there somewhere. :p
 

DarkKevit

That old bloke from Crete...
#45
The 'Don't be a Dick' rule should be enforced above all other rules!!! I would hate for this place to get bogged down in an overly complex and convoluted TOS.

I personally have faith in the Mod team here that they will police themselves as well as us 'normal' people. I really don't envisage a situation where ANYBODY could get a permaban here on the whims of one Mod. people such as Matt, Juegos, Hjort etc would just not allow any single Mod to abuse his position in such a manner.

I love the way that the ordinary forum members here are fully involved in setting the standards, I REALLY don't want this to become just like any other forum, with a shit load of rules, and no SOUL.

TRUST IN THE TEAM.
 

Cubits

Well-Known Member
#46
Yeah, the don't be a dick rule should be the framework around which the TOS is constructed. From there i would like to have a small list of important rules which provides good coverage for everyone, and an "in extraordinary circumstances" clause which fills in the gaps with a fair and democratic solution.

Having a huge, meandering TOS to stop every possible infringement makes it less likely that members will be fully informed of its contents, and it also can lead to some stupid moments of rigidity.

While i DO trust in the team as a whole, that trust has to be built with new members. That trust can only come from transparency and accountability.
 
#47
"Menashe" wrote: No there was no hacking. I was able to erase them from the database simply. Also, I just changed the forum rules in a pretty big way. From now on, you can't gain entrance to the boards unless you get activation from an admin. I realized that we already have enough incredible members to warrant protection for the community. We don't want anyone to be able to just waltz in, troll the boards, make alt troll accounts, and drive us all nuts. Of course, it's not going to be neogaf where it's really hard to get accepted, but you'll still have to knock on the door before you're let in.
It's quite crappy that you have to deal with this sort of situation. However, this is a real easy way to kill your community- it's much akin to a startup or small business looking to establish a social presence on twitter and then choosing to protect their tweets.
 

Cyan

Well-Known Member
#48
Hmm, in all honesty I feel as though people shouldn't talk about their drug related hobbies here. To me I feel that if you have to talk about the drugs you're doing then you should at least find a appropriate place to do so, and I feel this is not it. Now maybe I'm wrong, but I figure I won't find out unless I post, so I am. I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings, or make them think I look down on them, cause I don't. It just seems like drug discussions should be handled like sex discussion, as it's a less accepted, and more mature topic.

I.E. if I was to post in here in detail about what me and my boyfriend did last time we had sex I'm sure I'd get more then a few posts saying this isn't the place for it, and even some conflict about weather my relationship is right or wrong in some people's eyes, so I don't discuss things like that here. I choose to do so not only because of this, but because children might come here, and I don't think they should be exposed to sex, and or drugs.

So, those are my thoughts on this subject, I'd like to hear the communities thoughts on it though, if that's okay.
 

Juegos

All mods go to heaven.
Moderator
#49
"Syndicat3" wrote:
"Menashe" wrote:No there was no hacking. I was able to erase them from the database simply. Also, I just changed the forum rules in a pretty big way. From now on, you can't gain entrance to the boards unless you get activation from an admin
. I realized that we already have enough incredible members to warrant protection for the community. We don't want anyone to be able to just waltz in, troll the boards, make alt troll accounts, and drive us all nuts. Of course, it's not going to be neogaf where it's really hard to get accepted, but you'll still have to knock on the door before you're let in.
It's quite crappy that you have to deal with this sort of situation. However, this is a real easy way to kill your community- it's much akin to a startup or small business looking to establish a social presence on twitter and then choosing to protect their tweets.
It's more like this: since you and Aces raised a stink two days ago, all the discussions we've had among us editors and admins have made us realized we already have a pretty fucking star team. I believe that is the reasoning from where Menashe is coming from: we have such a badass bunch of people in here already, that it's better to protect the interests of them than those of random dudes out there.

The beautiful thing about this community is that, unlike IGN, we are not bound to petty rules. We are not buond to a TOS meant to protect paying members, and we have no qualms about changing our philosophies overnight if we have a consensus among ourselves for it. This means there are no "loopholes" no exploit, because there is no law set in stone at all to begin with. If we see a hole, we fill it, even if it opens a different one, which will get filled later.

It's all pretty good, overall.

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^That's a good point CyanPrime, and it definitely merits consideration. Let me go think more about the options we have and I'll get back in here.
 
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"juegosmajicos" wrote:
"Syndicat3" wrote:
"Menashe" wrote:No there was no hacking. I was able to erase them from the database simply. Also, I just changed the forum rules in a pretty big way. From now on, you can't gain entrance to the boards unless you get activation from an admin. I realized that we already have enough incredible members to warrant protection for the community. We don't want anyone to be able to just waltz in, troll the boards, make alt troll accounts, and drive us all nuts. Of course, it's not going to be neogaf where it's really hard to get accepted, but you'll still have to knock on the door before you're let in.

It's quite crappy that you have to deal with this sort of situation. However, this is a real easy way to kill your community- it's much akin to a startup or small business looking to establish a social presence on twitter and then choosing to protect their tweets.
It's more like this: since you and Aces raised a stink two days ago, all the discussions we've had among us editors and admins have made us realized we already have a pretty fucking star team. I believe that is the reasoning from where Menashe is coming from: we have such a badass bunch of people in here already, that it's better to protect the interests of them than those of random dudes out there.

The beautiful thing about this community is that, unlike IGN, we are not bound to petty rules. We are not buond to a TOS meant to protect paying members, and we have no qualms about changing our philosophies overnight if we have a consensus among ourselves for it. This means there are no "loopholes" no exploit, because there is no law set in stone at all to begin with. If we see a hole, we fill it, even if it opens a different one, which will get filled later.

It's all pretty good, overall.

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^That's a good point CyanPrime, and it definitely merits consideration. Let me go think more about the options we have and I'll get back in here.


I didn't raise shit.

Let's not start again with this- it's over and done with. Like Menashe said, don't bring up what happened the past few days into this CT:

"Menashe" wrote:
I removed both Syndicat and Aces posts originally because I'm cutting this discussion short. It stops here. We don't need to vent our frustrations for the whole CT. If you feel like you need to speak it out then go ahead and do it through PMs or contact a mod. No more discussion of this in the CT. The next person who starts up the discussion again is getting the first 24 hour ban.
 
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