Nintendo Switch - Official Thread

Shoulder

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I just saw that this morning, and in not surprised. They did great work porting Mass Effect 3 and Zelda TP HD to Wii U, and I bet they are the ones doing these Wii U remasters for Switch. They proved themselves as being very competent with Nintendo, and it doesn't make sense for Nintendo to use up internal resources doing these remasters. I could see Tantalus doing a lot of work on Nintendo remasters this gen. Wii U sold so poorly that it makes sense to offer some of Wii U games to what Nintendo expects to be a much larger audience on Switch. Especially during the launch window. Having Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros at launch alongside brand new Zelda and 3D Mario is certainly going to entice a lot of consumers who were interested in those games, but just didn't dig the Wii U. I also think that by offering these games at launch allows Nintendo the opportunity to revisit the IPs later in the systems life, an opportunity to keep momentum going later in the systems life cycle.

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Tantulus could become what Bluepoint Games are for Sony remasters. If so, sign me up.
 
would be cool, I would say they need to space that out but with Football coming in the next month they can hit that month pretty easy with hype and overload ads there, so yeah, sometime in January I expect some "for the fans" Direct marketing. Unless they have something smarter, more broader, planned. I already bet there will be tours asap, probably a showcase here at Nintendo NY.
 

Shoulder

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So who else is Expecting a Mega Nintendo Direct on January 12th, 2017 like the Awesome Nintendo Direct on January 23rd, 2013 !:D!

Another 90 Minutes to 2 Hour showcase of NS Details and Software Reveals...
I wonder if the Nintendo Switch Presentation is actually at a physical location, rather than a full-on Nintendo Direct. I thought signs were pointing to a more traditional conference with the media, and public present. Could be wrong though.
 
I wonder if the Nintendo Switch Presentation is actually at a physical location, rather than a full-on Nintendo Direct. I thought signs were pointing to a more traditional conference with the media, and public present. Could be wrong though.
It is, thats on the 11th. This is a hypothetical situation of if anything comes after.
 

Odo

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How many of you would buy remastered Wii U games?

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I wouldn't.

But I would buy some Wii remasters.

The Fire Emblem Path of Radiance / Radiant Dawn HD pack that I dream.. oww I would. I would.

PS. Ok, this HD pack and a confirmation of a 3rd FE game on Ike story and I'm buying this day one. Do you hear me Kimishima? DO YOU HEAR ME?
 

Odo

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So who else is Expecting a Mega Nintendo Direct on January 12th, 2017 like the Awesome Nintendo Direct on January 23rd, 2013 !:D!

Another 90 Minutes to 2 Hour showcase of NS Details and Software Reveals...
The Direct in January is gonna be

"Hello, I'm here to confirm that Switch is coming in March, it'll support Amiibo and Nintendo franchises. Thank you. Next Direct in March."
 

Koenig

The Architect
I would really like to see a third FE game in the "Radiant" series. One set 500 years later at the start of the new conflict hinted at in one of the secret endings for Radiant Dawn would be amazing... And with the long lifespan of the Laguz and "half-bloods" (Did the game ever come up with an official name for them?) it would be entirely possible to see several characters make a return despite the extended time difference.
 
Nvidia x Nintendo to last the next 2 decades, according to Huang
http://nintendowire.com/blog/2016/1...onship-nintendo-will-likely-last-two-decades/
I guess you could also say that Nintendo contributed a fair amount to that growth. And over the next – as you know, the Nintendo architecture and the company tends to stick with an architecture for a very long time. And so we've worked with them now for almost two years. Several hundred engineering years have gone into the development of this incredible game console. I really believe when everybody sees it and enjoy it, they're going be amazed by it. It's really like nothing they've ever played with before. And of course, the brand, their franchise and their game content is incredible. And so I think this is a relationship that will likely last two decades and I'm super excited about it.
A few notes:

- The question asked was about the increased revenues of Nvidia's gaming division, so when he says "Nintendo contributed a fair amount to that growth", that's what he's referring to. Gaming revenue was up by $463 million over the last quarter, although what constitutes "a fair amount" of that is anyone's guess. This could be R&D/consulting payments on completion of tape-out, or it could be an initial payment for the first batch of chips.

- The fact that Nvidia are including Nintendo's business in their Gaming division, rather than their IP licensing division, would indicate that Nvidia are handling manufacturing and selling the final chips to Nintendo, rather than Nintendo licensing the design and handling manufacturing themselves (which was their arrangement with AMD for Wii U's GPU).

- Working with Nintendo for "almost two years" means design work on Switch's SoC likely started at the end of 2014/start of 2015. That would seem like a pretty typical timescale for a custom chip like this.

- The "several hundred engineering years" re-states what was in Nvidia's initial press release (which afaik claimed 500 engineering man-years).

This last bit is speculation on my part, but when he says "over the next" and then cuts off to talk about Nintendo using the same architecture for a long time, I get the impression that Nvidia already has contracts for future Nintendo hardware that he's trying not to talk about. Claiming that the relationship will last "two decades" is also pretty confident even for Huang, and I have a feeling that this is further evidence that Switch is the start of the "family of systems" which Iwata talked about, all revolving around ARM/Nvidia SoCs and a common software platform.
 

Cubits

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ATI/AMD has been dominant in the console space over the last twenty years (nividia had the OG xbox...), but nintendo's shift towards more tightly integrated, mobile-style hardware has to be a boon for the tegra series which has floundered in the space between mobile and discrete gaming applications for the last several years (the first Tegra application was in the Zune!)

And mobile is somewhere AMD can't really compete. Their speciality is mid-range bang for buck, which is perfect for consoles where power draw isn't a consideration, but they've always been relative gas guzzlers when compared to their competition.

Nvidia spent the last couple of gens working massively on performance efficiency (90nm to 16nm helped), particularly in their laptop solutions which now nearly match the desktop offerings! The 1080M is a badass, whereas previously that M stood for "shit".

So, if i were them, i'd be over the damned moon that someone is finally going to buy big batches of an SoC which, beyond driving infotainment in cars, barely ever made a dent in the mobile processor market. If they can lock Nintendo into their architecture the way IBM did with the PPC across a few generations, for backwards compatibility etc, they're sitting pretty.
 

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How many of you would buy remastered Wii U games?
If it's series that probably won't be getting a new entry in a while, like Sm4sh, than, yeah, I'd buy it. Otherwise, I probably won't bother. Unlike the Wii and systems before then, I don't think the Wii U really needs any remasters, save for stuff like Xenoblade Chronicles X, a game that doesn't quite hold up as well visually as other games, or perhaps for some games that didn't have a solid frame-rate
 
http://letsplayvideogames.com/2016/11/report-uk-retailer-game-to-price-nintendo-switch-from-199-99/
"Today’s report, backed up by one previously used source and one new source who I have vetted thoroughly, is that UK specialist gaming retail chain GAME has been informed of the Nintendo Switch’s wholesale price to retailers, and is planning on selling their basic SKU (stock keeping unit) of the system in stores for £199.99.

It is important to note this is not a Nintendo set RRP (recommended retail price), as Nintendo do not set UK RRP prices for consoles. However, it is safe to assume this gives us a solid indication of the price the system will sell at nationwide.

We have also learned that a separate SKU featuring more internal storage and a packed in game is planned to sell at £249.99. We have heard rumours as to what this pack in game is, but we currently have only one source on this information so we are unwilling to talk about that pack in title at this time.

Both our sources have told us that additional Switch Pro Controllers are expected to sell at launch for £39.99 at GAME.

Lastly, we have been told that Nintendo is planning for the Switch to be close to direct conversion price comparable across regions, which we have been told is tied into their push for the system to be region free. This would in theory put the USA price of the system at approximately $249.99 and $299.99 (This is based off conversions, not any insider information).

So, how do these prices sound to you? In the UK this would put the Switch firmly in line with the entry level prices for the Xbox One and PS4 which seems wise if their device is going to be in any way less powerful than the current systems on the market. "

sounding pretty reasonable.
 

mattavelle1

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http://letsplayvideogames.com/2016/11/report-uk-retailer-game-to-price-nintendo-switch-from-199-99/
"Today’s report, backed up by one previously used source and one new source who I have vetted thoroughly, is that UK specialist gaming retail chain GAME has been informed of the Nintendo Switch’s wholesale price to retailers, and is planning on selling their basic SKU (stock keeping unit) of the system in stores for £199.99.

It is important to note this is not a Nintendo set RRP (recommended retail price), as Nintendo do not set UK RRP prices for consoles. However, it is safe to assume this gives us a solid indication of the price the system will sell at nationwide.

We have also learned that a separate SKU featuring more internal storage and a packed in game is planned to sell at £249.99. We have heard rumours as to what this pack in game is, but we currently have only one source on this information so we are unwilling to talk about that pack in title at this time.

Both our sources have told us that additional Switch Pro Controllers are expected to sell at launch for £39.99 at GAME.

Lastly, we have been told that Nintendo is planning for the Switch to be close to direct conversion price comparable across regions, which we have been told is tied into their push for the system to be region free. This would in theory put the USA price of the system at approximately $249.99 and $299.99 (This is based off conversions, not any insider information).

So, how do these prices sound to you? In the UK this would put the Switch firmly in line with the entry level prices for the Xbox One and PS4 which seems wise if their device is going to be in any way less powerful than the current systems on the market. "

sounding pretty reasonable.
I'm bout this 100%
 
I was actually hoping it would go the typical price fixing way where its a direct visible price conversion, as in 199 pounds would be 199 dollars and so on. Alas, this is fine. Will be going the base price unless the pack in is worth it, which considering the games we've seen, is likely.
 

mattavelle1

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I was actually hoping it would go the typical price fixing way where its a direct visible price conversion, as in 199 pounds would be 199 dollars and so on. Alas, this is fine. Will be going the base price unless the pack in is worth it, which considering the games we've seen, is likely.
For me when it comes to buying Nintendo consoles I always go for the one with the most bells and whistles. If for nothing else it's because it's my only console so I go all out on it.
 

Odo

Well-Known Member
For me, any price above $200 is too much for Switch.

The best price line would this in my opinion:

2DS $99
3DS XL $149
Switch $199
 

theMightyME

Owner of The Total Screen
that is 199 GBP

not US dollars... most things in the UK are half the number as in the US... so if a car has an MSRP of $30,000... it has an msrp in the Uk of around 15,000 GBP

and this isn't exchange rate I am talking about...... this is ideal exchange rate... if the US, the UK, Europe, and Japan are all doing about equaly as well in their currency these numbers would have the same value

$2 USD (America)
2 EUR (European Union)
1 GBP (United Kingdom)
200 YEN (Japan... just think of it as pennies rather than dollars, Japan doesn't have a coin worth less than 1 yen, just as america doesn't have a coin worth less than 1 cent... japan just doesn't have a sub currency like we do, they start at the bottom and the numbers go higher)

so unless the exchange rate is f'n nutty, that is the metric you want to use if you see the price of a product in 1 country and want to consider what it would be in another....

that being said.. the UK seems to price gaming stuff a bit higher

if 199 GBP is correct I would say it would probably be $350 US
 

theMightyME

Owner of The Total Screen
For me, any price above $200 is too much for Switch.

The best price line would this in my opinion:

2DS $99
3DS XL $149
Switch $199
that is just crazy talk... $199 would be impulse buy for a new system like that, way way way ahead of being too much

I would say that $350 WITH a must have game.... like zelda, mario, kart, something of that nature would be the high end of acceptable... $250 without a game is the reasonable rate, $300 without a game is a bit of an ask, but reasonable..... $200 is like "wow nintendo nailed it, any true gamer that doesn't snag it at this price is a f'n hater" territory

as for price lineup.. I would say

2ds - $79.99
new 3ds - $99.99
New 3ds XL - $129.99
wii u (if it was still being sold) - $169.99 (sales wont go up if they drop it, but they should if only to raise perceived value of switch)
Switch - $249.99... or $299.99 with a AAA pack-in
 

Goodtwin

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The base Switch at $249 is excellent. It allows for a great marketing price, even though the more expensive deluxe bundle will likely be far more popular. I hope the deluxe version comes with a free download code instead of choosing the game for us. Nintendo said they learned a lesson with pricing Wii U too high, and they are showing it with Switch. Looks really good.

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that is 199 GBP

not US dollars... most things in the UK are half the number as in the US... so if a car has an MSRP of $30,000... it has an msrp in the Uk of around 15,000 GBP

and this isn't exchange rate I am talking about...... this is ideal exchange rate... if the US, the UK, Europe, and Japan are all doing about equaly as well in their currency these numbers would have the same value

$2 USD (America)
2 EUR (European Union)
1 GBP (United Kingdom)
200 YEN (Japan... just think of it as pennies rather than dollars, Japan doesn't have a coin worth less than 1 yen, just as america doesn't have a coin worth less than 1 cent... japan just doesn't have a sub currency like we do, they start at the bottom and the numbers go higher)

so unless the exchange rate is f'n nutty, that is the metric you want to use if you see the price of a product in 1 country and want to consider what it would be in another....

that being said.. the UK seems to price gaming stuff a bit higher

if 199 GBP is correct I would say it would probably be $350 US
I mean i plugged it into Google and got this, is GBP something else?
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The base Switch at $249 is excellent. It allows for a great marketing price, even though the more expensive deluxe bundle will likely be far more popular. I hope the deluxe version comes with a free download code instead of choosing the game for us. Nintendo said they learned a lesson with pricing Wii U too high, and they are showing it with Switch. Looks really good.

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Totally agree. I can see the ads pushing the 249 price point, "Starting at 249.99", it is attractive.
 

Goodtwin

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I think this price point targets a mass market price on day one, and gives them a price they can stick with for quite some time. Switch is so different from the other consoles, and really doesn't give up anything to portables like the 3DS and Vita, so it has significant advantages that really positions this product to be attractive to consumers, even if they game on a PlayStation or Xbox as their primary console. Some people aren't into portables or Nintendo games, but the success of the 3DS leads me to believe there is infact a large group of consumers out there for Nintendo. Not to mention their mobile efforts helping drive people to their dedicated hardware. Pokemon Go has helped build hype for Pokemon Sun and Moon, and is going to possibly give the 3DS it's strongest Christmas to date. That's impressive considering the 3DS is a relic by tech standards, and in the world of mobile devices.

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Shoulder

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I think this price point targets a mass market price on day one, and gives them a price they can stick with for quite some time. Switch is so different from the other consoles, and really doesn't give up anything to portables like the 3DS and Vita, so it has significant advantages that really positions this product to be attractive to consumers, even if they game on a PlayStation or Xbox as their primary console. Some people aren't into portables or Nintendo games, but the success of the 3DS leads me to believe there is infact a large group of consumers out there for Nintendo. Not to mention their mobile efforts helping drive people to their dedicated hardware. Pokemon Go has helped build hype for Pokemon Sun and Moon, and is going to possibly give the 3DS it's strongest Christmas to date. That's impressive considering the 3DS is a relic by tech standards, and in the world of mobile devices.

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I know some of the people around here point out that compared to the DS, the 3DS isn't quite the success as it could've been, and they are quick to say it's due to the rise in mobile devices. I somewhat disagree with that, and here's why.

So, what made the 3DS a near failure from the start? Well, it was too pricey, and it had no games, or not enough of them from the start. It wasn't until the price drop, and those key selling games that the 3DS became the success it currently is. I think the fact that mobile devices have made their way onto the realm of gaming is simply a happy accident, because most people have smartphones these days, and it can simply double as a casual gaming device. This is on contrast to a proper gaming device, and if we think about the popularity of video games, gaming is not dying, nor is mobile gaming really taking over compared to conventional entertainment.

Had the 3DS launched at a more affordable price, and had the games to back it up, it would've been a much greater success than it already is. Obviously, if you compare it to the DS, it might look like a failure, but then you'll probably have to look at every successor of the Wii as a failure simply because it did not sell as much. If that were the case, then the SNES, N64, and the GCN all were failures because they never sold as many units as the original NES. But gaming also changes dramatically because of competition, so while one system may not sell as much as it might have, another system is out there for gamers. Nintendo might've lost a lot of market share over the years, but that lack of shares did not disappear, it only transferred to PC, Playstation, Xbox, and up until going third party, Sega as well.

I know we are very anxious, and excited to see what Nintendo will show off during the presentation on Jan 12th, so hopefully, they deliver the megaton news so we can hop aboard the hype train.
 

Koenig

The Architect
My biggest concern about the switch in regards to the portable market is it's relative lack of portability when compared to the 3DS. Sure, it is just as portable as a table, but it is not as portable as a 3DS or Smart phone which you can easily fit in a pocket. I hope that the disconnect is not too much, as I do want to see the Switch succeed, if only so I can get some more games for it this time around.
 

Shoulder

Your Resident Beardy Bear
My biggest concern about the switch in regards to the portable market is it's relative lack of portability when compared to the 3DS. Sure, it is just as portable as a table, but it is not as portable as a 3DS or Smart phone which you can easily fit in a pocket. I hope that the disconnect is not too much, as I do want to see the Switch succeed, if only so I can get some more games for it this time around.
I think it's pretty safe to say the Switch will not fit into your normal regular sized pocket, but I feel that is not the point of the Switch when it comes to portability.

PS4/Xbone = Desktop Computer
Switch = Laptop Computer

That is how I look at the Switch, but it has the added benefit to natively connect to your TV, and basically become desktop-like computer with potentially more power on tap.
 

mattavelle1

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I think it's pretty safe to say the Switch will not fit into your normal regular sized pocket, but I feel that is not the point of the Switch when it comes to portability.

PS4/Xbone = Desktop Computer
Switch = Laptop Computer

That is how I look at the Switch, but it has the added benefit to natively connect to your TV, and basically become desktop-like computer with potentially more power on tap.
Or potentially somewhat like a tablet which also Dosent fit in your pocket.
 

Koenig

The Architect
I think it's pretty safe to say the Switch will not fit into your normal regular sized pocket, but I feel that is not the point of the Switch when it comes to portability.

PS4/Xbone = Desktop Computer
Switch = Laptop Computer

That is how I look at the Switch, but it has the added benefit to natively connect to your TV, and basically become desktop-like computer with potentially more power on tap.
For the most part I agree, but what I was trying to point out is that that also make it incompatible with a portion of the 3DS market which does focus on pocket grade portability.
 

tekshow

Active Member
Same as @sjmartin79 depending on the game I would. Splatooner and Smash would be at the top double dips
Try as I might, if they added some features PLUS the ability to play anywhere, there's no way I could resist Splatoon or MK8 on the Switch.

@Koenig I hear you on portability. Anecdotally I'm a 37 year old man who carries a backpack to work. It ALWAYS has a 3ds XL and a tablet in my daily carry configuration. There's actually a perfect pocket where the Switch is going to rest in the middle, unable to be bumped or bruised in transit. I could be he minority though, but it seems people have gotten used to toting a tablet sized machine around whether it's an iPad, Kindle or the like? Tablets are easy since they're so multi functional. If the Switch could check my email and update Instagram for work then it might be easier to haul around. If it's games only, then I could see just kids and the dedicated taking it everywhere.
 

Shoulder

Your Resident Beardy Bear
For the most part I agree, but what I was trying to point out is that that also make it incompatible with a portion of the 3DS market which does focus on pocket grade portability.
I see your point, but I think Nintendo currently doesn't want to annihilate the 3DS market quite yet. And also, how much of the 3DS market actually puts their system in their pocket? In all the years I've owned Game Boys, the DS, and now the 3DS XL, I rarely ever have put Nintendo's handhelds in my pocket. Now, I know I do not represent the entirety of the handheld market, but I think more people don't bother putting their systems in their pocket.

Like I've mentioned before, Nintendo likely plans on marketing this as a console that turns into a portable device, rather than vice versa. So calling it a console, you can take anywhere vs. a handheld you can hook up to your TV sounds more pleasing to the consumer I think.
 

Goodtwin

Well-Known Member
Another part of the rumor is the more expensive deluxe version will not only include a game, but more internal storage as well. Previous rumors have the Switch at 32GB, I would think this is the Basic model, so just how much flash memory can Nintendo get for cheap? I'm going to guess 128GB as the maximum, and more likely 64GB. With a product like Switch, I plan to go 100% digital, so I know I will be in the market for a large SD card at some point regardless of what Nintendo chooses.
 

theMightyME

Owner of The Total Screen
I mean i plugged it into Google and got this, is GBP something else?
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that is the CURRENT exchange rate with the bad state of the GBP
when the USD is down, do our video games go from being 59.99 to 67.82?

when both the usd and gbp are equally healthy the gbp is worth twice the USD

pricing isn't based on fluctuating exchange rates, but rather on even exchange rates

otherwise could you imagine the headaches of our game prices changing every time the exchange rate fluctuates?
 

Goodtwin

Well-Known Member
Your two to one theory is not accurate. In 2012, the GBP was equal to $1.60, and Wii U launched at 250 GPB for the basic and 300 GPB for the deluxe. For Nintendo, conversion to yen is the most important. A strong dollar and pound with a weaker yen is what Nintendo likes. I checked the last 20 years, and only one year was the GBP worth $2, and the average conversion is 1.65.


that is the CURRENT exchange rate with the bad state of the GBP
when the USD is down, do our video games go from being 59.99 to 67.82?

when both the usd and gbp are equally healthy the gbp is worth twice the USD

pricing isn't based on fluctuating exchange rates, but rather on even exchange rates

otherwise could you imagine the headaches of our game prices changing every time the exchange rate fluctuates?

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theMightyME

Owner of The Total Screen
Your two to one theory is not accurate. In 2012, the GBP was equal to $1.60, and Wii U launched at 250 GPB for the basic and 300 GPB for the deluxe. For Nintendo, conversion to yen is the most important. A strong dollar and pound with a weaker yen is what Nintendo likes. I checked the last 20 years, and only one year was the GBP worth $2, and the average conversion is 1.65.





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Ugh... Look at retail pricing across the board in the UK
 

Juegos

All mods go to heaven.
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A few weeks ago, Emily Rogers said that the new Mario for the Switch was probably going to be ready for the Switch's launch, and could even replace Zelda's spot. Just this week she said Zelda would most likely not be ready for launch as Nintendo wanted to make sure it was as free from bugs and glitches as possible. Now Eurogamer is reporting the same thing.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-of-the-wild-will-miss-nintendo-switch-launch

Man, I'm going to be bummed out if Zelda isn't there at launch. I just want to play that game as soon as possible. It's not like I'm not used to bugs and bad game releases - Dishonored 2 came out last week but it won't even run on my CPU yet. Hell, if Zelda was playable on the day of its release, I'd call that a successful launch.
 

Shoulder

Your Resident Beardy Bear
Well, think of it this way: We haven't had a proper Mario launch title since the N64, and if you ask me, Mario carries more weight in selling launch systems than Zelda ever could. That being said, Zelda is by no means a non-popular product, but with Nintendo's QC Ninjas going full bore, it might be beneficial for Nintendo to wait until BotW is truly ready.

Hell, I'd buy a Switch at launch if it came with Mario. You heard it here first, folks! If Mario is a launch title, I will be picking up a Switch on launch.
 

Koenig

The Architect
I am just surprised... I thought by now Breath of the Wild would be completely finished, considering how many years it has been in development. Granted, it is the largest game Nintendo has ever produced.
 
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