**Terms of Service for Nintendo Enthusiast Forums and Chat**

Menashe

Moderator
Moderator
#1
(The TOS was decided upon based on the majority opinions of the community in the TOS discussions. As of now the terms of service are final and the rules must be abided. However, don't hesitate to speak up if you feel like a change should be made to one of the rules. If enough people agree that a change should be made, the rule will be put up for review by an administrator. The site approach and philosophical attitude is to take into account the community's opinions, but the final legal binding in regards to terms of service and user agreements will be decided by the administration of Nintendo Enthusiast.)

Terms of Service and User Agreement
These are private forums. By registering at the Nintendo Enthusiast Forums, users agree that any post deemed inappropriate may be removed at the sole discretion of the moderators or staff. Nintendo Enthusiast also has the right, at its sole discretion, to revoke board privileges at any time without notice or reason. In simple terms: if you break the rules, you will be banned. Exploiting loopholes to circumvent rules will also result in a ban.

Nintendo Enthusiast is not responsible for messages posted on the forums or the content therein. Unless expressly stated otherwise, this includes messages posted by Nintendo Enthusiast staff, moderators, representatives et al. Nintendo Enthusiast reserves the right to reveal users' personal information to third parties in the event of a complaint or legal action arising from any message posted by said user.

Also note that the Forum Rules extend to all areas of the forums system, including but not limited to Private Messages and Signatures.
FORUM RULES:
There may be users who think these lead to ban, however, the following behaviors are allowed

- Profanity is allowed in your posts, signatures, or thread titles
- Talking about drugs or your own personal habits in regards to drugs is tolerated.


The following behaviors have specific conditions to them:


- Strong verbal agreements that get heated are always OK. Occasional trolling may be overlooked but not if it becomes a regular habit or extreme.

- Discussion about piracy or a piracy organization is allowed. A user may admit to their own pirating behaviors. However they may not provide piracy links for others. The user will first be warned, and through repeating the behaviour, banned. In other words, you may talk about piracy all you want, but do not engage in piracy through these boards.

- Personally insulting someone or flaming them is tolerated when it happens occasionally. Repeated flaming that causes a disruption in the community or that is considered harassing or verbally attacking another will lead to a warning and then eventually banning.

- Posting spoilers for others should not be done without warning other users or placing it inside a spoiler tag. Doing so on purpose will lead to a warning and eventual banning.

- Posting off-topic or irrelevant posts or threads will just lead to them being deleted or being moved to the appropriate place on the forum. If a user is excessive in their repetition of making posts irrelevant to the topic or the community, they will be warned and subsequently banned. Making a post that the community finds relevant or enjoyable, despite not being relevant to the topic is fine. For example: a celebration thread for reaching a milestone amount of posts, or a thread that is meant to be humorous rather than informative.
- Do not post anything considered NSFW (Not Safe For Work) such as pornography or extreme gore. However you may provide a link to such content and the other users may make a conscious decision to click on the link.

The following behaviours will lead to a user being banned without a warning:

- Racism/Hate Speech

- Pedophilia

- Spammers/Advertisers (Note: These are considered users who join solely to advertise or spam but don't contribute to the community in any form. However, contributing members of the community may advertise to others their websites or products. Video game developers may join the forums just to discuss their software with gamers.)


The Common Sense Rule


- A final catch-all rule: Moderators have the right to ban based on their own judgement even if something doesn't fall into a specific rule. So, always use your own common sense when posting. For instance, if a user seriously threatens to be violent to another user or is harrassing someone by PMs, a moderator can use his/her own judgement to ban this user.

- A user can always appeal a ban by emailing the site administrators.
 
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mattavelle1

IT’S GOT A DEATH RAY!
Moderator
#3
Just out of curiosity, is it common for pedophiles to frequent places like this?
LMAO AKI!!!! I wouldn't have a clue as I've never meet one that I know of. I've never seen anyone admit to being a pedofile lol.

"Hey guys check out my new signature"

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Menashe

Moderator
Moderator
#10
The following behaviours will lead to a user being banned without a warning:
- Racism/Hate Speech




One user brought up an issue to be discussed and I thought it was legitimate enough that it deserves an honest discussion to determine our community's policies. Basically, we're trying to be a community that is as open and free as possible but we've got to draw the line somewhere. Some things by general consensus are considered off-limits or out of bounds to discuss. One of those behaviors is racism or hate speech.

Within the past few days there was a discussion about gays. Most of the members in the CT spoke of their acceptance towards the LGBT community. However, there was one post that might have been considered to be positing racism or hate speech towards gays. I made a silly comment about changing the subject which was obviously the wrong approach. If that post in question was against the TOS policies accepted by the majority of the community, then this must be addressed and not swept under the rug. If everything was alright with that post and that user was within their rights of voicing their opinion, then of course, the subject doesn't have to be changed at all. People can say their opinions from today until tomorrow in the CT as long as it doesn't violate any of the extreme behaviors outlined in the TOS.

In private discussion, the moderation on the forum was called out by one member for not dealing with this post, and I agree that it at least merits a discussion. The question really boils down to whether an anti-gay stance is racism, or how extreme of an anti-gay stance should be considered racism or hate speech.

Please discuss how we should look at this issue theoretically and what concrete measures we should take in this particular instance. We'll follow what is deemed to be the majority opinion of the community.

(For the sake of determining a majority vote, please like this post if you feel that there was nothing wrong with the post in question and dislike if you feel it should be against community policy.)
 

Aki

Well-Known Member
#11
Anti any race, gender, sexuality, or whatever should be considered at least a warning, depending on how severe it is and the context of the quote. For example, you should be able to joke about stereotypes like woman are bad drivers, however, continuing past that should be a warning. If it's severe enough to the point where it's something along the lines of, "women shouldn't have rights and should be used as sexual objects" then that should be a ban. A good one too and this should apply to anti any human being. None of this should even be discussed in the CT, but considering that we're a small community, it pops up. I assume that I know of the post considering that I posted it. I'd say that it would pass off as a ban worthy, however, considering it's context, I don't think anything was wrong with me being allowed to post that opinion. I gave a very general answer the first time and then was asked to go in-depth. It was more graphic than anti-gay, but the not normal part could be considered racism. Not considering the context of it, if I just randomly posted that without being asked then that would and should be ban worthy.
 

nerdman

pig's gotta fly
#12
I think the post is okay. Yes, it is strongly worded and very potentially offensive, but he was asked straight up what he thought about gay life style.
Before asked, he just said he didn't support gays. I don't think we should punish him for being honest even if we don't agree or are offended by what he said.
 

TheAmazingLSB

PLEASE UNDERSTAND....
#15
So one person thinks Aki should be banned...? LLM is my guess.... As Donut would just ignore him....

Eh? WTF? I never said anything about banning anybody!
kk guess my guess was wrong.... But obviously someone did....
 
#16
Theoretically, if we're striving to be more openly tolerant than friendly and approachable, we might as well have the TOS mirror 4chan. However, if we're striving to appear more friendly and approachable than openly tolerant, then a few of the behaviors that we currently tolerate need to become intolerable.

I don't see our community growing if we let comments that blatantly are made to offend go under the radar. "We're on the Internet" is not a good enough reason to justify such comments as in a real life community, that person would have probably gotten punched in the face or thrown out of that community.

Last time I checked, we called it a privilege to be in this community where quality posters gather. Though I can't blame the people who feel they've been insulted or seen others get insulted for feeling like being here is not the dream forum they thought it'd be.

This is all theoretical though as requested. I, personally, don't really care what the general consensus ends up being, but it would be sad to see proven quality posters leave the forums because they can't tolerate the hate/insults. Conversely, it would sad to see people who make the hate/insults go as I would have preferred that they'd change their act for the consideration of their peers. Nonetheless, I can understand both sides.

My stance? I don't think the post in question was ill-intentioned enough to warrant a ban. Would prefer we all just learn to be considerate of one another.
 
#17
The more opinions the better. Warrant a ban or not (bans are for extreme cases), what happened to simply being respectful of others? Is this an adults only site? Isn't how you say it as important as what you say? These are just questions. Ignore this post...
 

Juegos

All mods go to heaven.
Moderator
#18
I don't think the post is OK, but I don't think it's worth a ban either. That's if you take it by itself, of course; like Nerdman said, having been asked what his stance is, he gave it.
All the same, if we happened to have an anti-semite on the site, and he was straight up asked, "what's your opinion of jews", does that mean he should answer it in its hateful honesty? I don't think so. I think people should know not to express hateful things in a community even somebody asks them to. If you're in a room with a bunch of friends, and one of them is black, and some other white dude asks you what your thoughts on black people are, and you happen to secretly be a white supremacist; should you go ahead and answer "honestly"? You'd probably end up splitting your group of friends and causing unrest just by saying something you could have easily kept to yourself.
 
#19
@Menashe A quick thought regarding your wanting an open forum but also wanting to draw a line. Would a system where post's with a certain amount of flags become hidden appeal to you? That way the post is not censored per say but users have to choose to reveal it in order see it.
 

Menashe

Moderator
Moderator
#20
@Menashe A quick thought regarding your wanting an open forum but also wanting to draw a line. Would a system where post's with a certain amount of flags become hidden appeal to you? That way the post is not censored per say but users have to choose to reveal it in order see it.

Like Youtube does? That might work. Although certain posts, like if someone posts child porn, would have to be removed. And others, like hating on gays, would only get hidden but of course everyone would click on it to see it. So, I wonder how much it would actually offer. Unless we would make a system that it would be hidden after a certain amount of flags and it would become impossible to reveal. That way it would be left up to the community whether a specific post is too offensive.
 
#21
@Menashe A quick thought regarding your wanting an open forum but also wanting to draw a line. Would a system where post's with a certain amount of flags become hidden appeal to you? That way the post is not censored per say but users have to choose to reveal it in order see it.
Like Youtube does? That might work. Although certain posts, like if someone posts child porn, would have to be removed. And others, like hating on gays, would only get hidden but of course everyone would click on it to see it. So, I wonder how much it would actually offer. Unless we would make a system that it would be hidden after a certain amount of flags and it would become impossible to reveal. That way it would be left up to the community whether a specific post is too offensive.

Yeah but if you choose to reveal it then it's on you if you get offended. You can hardly complain if you read something marked as offensive and then get offended. The other way could work too though.

@
LightsaberBlues I'd be interested to know in particular what you disagree with about my suggestion.
 

TheAmazingLSB

PLEASE UNDERSTAND....
#22
@Menashe A quick thought regarding your wanting an open forum but also wanting to draw a line. Would a system where post's with a certain amount of flags become hidden appeal to you? That way the post is not censored per say but users have to choose to reveal it in order see it.

Like Youtube does? That might work. Although certain posts, like if someone posts child porn, would have to be removed. And others, like hating on gays, would only get hidden but of course everyone would click on it to see it. So, I wonder how much it would actually offer. Unless we would make a system that it would be hidden after a certain amount of flags and it would become impossible to reveal. That way it would be left up to the community whether a specific post is too offensive.

Yeah but if you choose to reveal it then it's on you if you get offended. You can hardly complain if you read something marked as offensive and then get offended. The other way could work too though.

@
LightsaberBlues I'd be interested to know in particular what you disagree with about my suggestion.


I had wrote this long drawn out answer before this, but I decided it's easier to just say I think things are fine the way they are.... And I think there are much better ways to help make this site well, better for all of us than adding this new feature to protect people from being offended.... Just my two cents....
In all honesty I didn't expect anyone to ask me what I thought.... Least of all you.... But it's cool that you at least wanted to hear what I thought about it....
I feel like this new feature was thought up in response to only a select few posters who if this was to actually happen would have to deal with having themselves censored on the regs.... IMO it will alienate posters more than protect them.... But then again based on others agreeing with your suggestion, it must be what everyone wants to happen....
Majority rules, but I warn that going down this road rather than just moving on if you happen to get offended by something someone says is treading dangerous ground imo.... And let's not beat around the bush here....
This feature is meant for only a select few who's posting habits tend to offend here and there from time to time.... In other words it's discriminatory.... Can't we just ignore those we don't want to listen to and leave it up to everyone else to do the same if that is what they chose to do...?
And that system is already in place.... No new features needed....
 
#23
What's up with all this lack of confidence lately. "Everybody hates me." "I didn't expect anyone to ask what I thought."

Come on forum. Get that e-peen raised a little higher.

Personally, based on how well I think I know this forum, people won't get alienated if they think before they post. I'm sure people can tell the difference between warranted honestly and blatantly offensive or flaming posts.

I would prefer a forum where people are more courteous to each other anyway. Unless anyone has been planning to make blatantly offensive posts, I can't see a potential problem yet.

I'd like to see new users come in as a result of seeing less flaming around here.
 

TheAmazingLSB

PLEASE UNDERSTAND....
#24
I live to troll so.... In essence some people might think of me as part of this so called "problem" when it comes to offensive behavior.... If you guys really think censoring people who you deem deserve such a fine honor is the answer, then so be it....
If you ask me it's people getting all butt hurt because of others honest opinion that is the problem.... Not the people being honest in their posting habits.... Just my opinion of course....
And I'll tell you what.... If I were to have my posts censored like this I would probably stop posting all together....
Make the rules of the TOS final.... If someone breaks those rules, then maybe do something about it.... If not.... Who gives a fuck about who gets offended by what.... If it's within the TOS then it's perfectly fine....
Even if it rustles a few jimmys in the process....
 
#25
Let me just clarify that I speak for no one here and that my opinion probably weighs less than the forum members.

I just can't think of a reason to censor anyone unless what they are doing can be deemed an obvious offense. We all have such different personalities that it would take some serious misstep to get yourself censored. Trolling has yet to actually offend anyone here as most of us are pretty immune to it. You're not going to get censored for having an opinion, that's for sure.

But I wouldn't care either way. Just think it a swell idea.
 

TheAmazingLSB

PLEASE UNDERSTAND....
#26
Well I would love to hear others impressions of this new feature.... So far I think everyone would be on yours and LLM's side about it.... Which is cool.... Majority rules imo.... So if you guys decide to do this I won't complain.... But it was nice to let my thoughts on the matter be known before it happens....
Either way.... People should just try and be a little more respectful to each other on these boards.... Including myself.... I suppose that is all I have to say on the matter at hand....
 

Juegos

All mods go to heaven.
Moderator
#27
An issue has come up that I believe we hadn't talked about at length before. Basically, public accusations were made, and it wasn't cool. Though we never discussed it, I'm sure we all just took that for granted, that public accusations weren't cool, but it came up now as an issue, so we gotta lay some groundwork.
Mattavelle and I don't believe that it's ok at all for people to make public accusations of character in these forums. Everybody judges, there is no question of that. Some users will no doubt feel that the way other users post in these forums is "wrong" in some way, whether because of something they said, or something they did. However, there is no sense in making public accusations and judgment of character: it creates a hostile environment, and opens the door for other users to make their accusations against other posters. If this was allowed, we would all be getting constantly called out for our flaws and mistakes, and we'd have little disposition to carry on with the community, much less engage in conversation about topics that we are here to talk about to begin with, such as gaming.
To put it short: public accusations are not cool. If you have a issue with someone, send them a personal message instead of posting publicly.
If you guys disagree, please respond in this thread so we can talk about it, whether we are wrong, or right, or whatever.
 
#28
Freaking finally.
I implicitly voiced my concerns over letting such hostile comments slide in my first post in this thread. Even noted my incapability of seeing our community growing if nothing is done and I was technically right about that.
Theoretically, if we're striving to be more openly tolerant than friendly and approachable, we might as well have the TOS mirror 4chan. However, if we're striving to appear more friendly and approachable than openly tolerant, then a few of the behaviors that we currently tolerate need to become intolerable.

I don't see our community growing if we let comments that blatantly are made to offend go under the radar. "We're on the Internet" is not a good enough reason to justify such comments as in a real life community, that person would have probably gotten punched in the face or thrown out of that community.

Last time I checked, we called it a privilege to be in this community where quality posters gather. Though I can't blame the people who feel they've been insulted or seen others get insulted for feeling like being here is not the dream forum they thought it'd be.

This is all theoretical though as requested. I, personally, don't really care what the general consensus ends up being, but it would be sad to see proven quality posters leave the forums because they can't tolerate the hate/insults. Conversely, it would sad to see people who make the hate/insults go as I would have preferred that they'd change their act for the consideration of their peers. Nonetheless, I can understand both sides.

My stance? I don't think the post in question was ill-intentioned enough to warrant a ban. Would prefer we all just learn to be considerate of one another.
I have no doubt that the right decision was made here.
 

Majorbuddah

My real name is Dolemite
#29
yeah, i disagree with that. it's one thing to censor specific language, but it's another thing to censor ideas. you say "if this was allowed" then yada yada would happen... well yada yada never happened. and i don't see it happening.

public accusations might be impolite at times but they're vital to real conversation. ultimately it comes down to how a rule like this is enforced, and i trust the mods here not to be dick heads, but the bottom line is that censoring ideas is a negative policy all around. if someone attacks your character and you feel it's unjustified then you can either ignore it or articulate why they're wrong. this isn't a fucking kindergarten and nobody deserves special protection from being offended.

http://i.imgur.com/KghXhKk.jpg
 

Juegos

All mods go to heaven.
Moderator
#30
@Jacesonnall If I recall, that was a different issue. That was about people saying things that could be offensive to other people (such as the recent issue over casually using words considered to be homophobic). What I'm talking about in the last post is about making direct accusations against a person.
If I said "Microsoft is lame", that might be offensive to some people -- however, I wasn't directly attacking this person, and I can quickly apologize for my usage of the word, and promise not to use it again, and it would all be ok. On the other hand, if I straight up called someone an asshole, the situation could get out of control quickly, and could spread to other people doing their dirty laundry in public.

So the first issue was resolved already a few weeks ago, if I'm not mistaken. We agreed that it's not cool to continue using words that other people find offensive when you know they find them offensive, especially if they've already asked you not to continue using them. This time, we're looking for an agreement on when it is or isn't cool to directly make accusations against another person. I think it's not cool at all, especially since the option to make these accusations private is there to begin with. Even then, the person receiving these accusations can ask not to be messaged again, and if continued then it becomes a case of harassment, which in the past we've also not found a cool thing.
Or we could just hire Dredd.
 

Majorbuddah

My real name is Dolemite
#31
yeah, see i should be able to call you an asshole if you're being an asshole. imagine if it was illegal to call someone an asshole in real life. that would be fucking retarded.
 

Juegos

All mods go to heaven.
Moderator
#32
I'll agree with that in spirit Buddah, but here's the question: why do it publicly? If I had an issue with you, or you with me, what reason do we have for starting something with one another in a public forum when doing so through private messages is perfectly fine?
I'm not about to stop people from judging one another as they see fit, or to act upon that, but do so in private. In public, it can create an unnecessarily hostile mood.
Of course it's not a big deal when somebody makes a single comment and then both parties move on from it (and up to this point everyone had been able to self-moderate in that regard, which is already an accomplishment and speaks very well of the community), but when it looks like a conflict that will continue, then I think it's certainly worth considering more seriously.
 

TheAmazingLSB

PLEASE UNDERSTAND....
#33
Sometimes the internet and life in general is hostile.... It's something you can try to avoid, as most on these boards try to do, but it's amazing to me to hear people like Ace condemn this kind of behavior when he is guilty of it himself....
Not only that, but we are all guilty of this type of behavior, even if it's usually on differents levels in terms of how extreme it can be....
There is no one way to deal with hostile accusations on message boards.... You have to deal with it on a case by case basis.... Every situation that seems to arise starts for different reasons.... Not all arguments are the same.... And they are not always so black and white that they can be dealt with in just any one way....
The last thing you want are these boards becoming a single stream butt fuck conga line where everybody is sucking each others dicks and kissing each others asses all for the sake of unity....
Not to mention that my recent experience with this type of behavior that was very public and pretty much out there for all to see in the CT between me and Cyan has actually helped me better myself in the end.... It caused me to look back at my priorities, including how much time I was dedicating to this site, and gave me a tremendous kick in the ass....
Me and Cyan have apologized to each other and my life is now back on track partly because of the incident that happened between us....
So not only should I think this kind of behavior not be punishable on the boards due to the fact that just like in real life, not everybody is always going to get along, but also because at the end of the day, I'm a better person now imo than I was before it happened....
It basically caused me to say to myself "Why am I wasting my time devoting myself to this place when I could be out working and helping my family and myself live a better life...?"
So in conclusion I can only tell you that sometimes, not always, but sometimes, these kinds of situations end up having a silver lining and a chance to teach us something as human beings that we might not have learned otherwise....
In the end I will go with whatever you the mods decide, but think about it before you do decide is really all I can say.... Sometimes conflict can breed better people.... And can teach not just the ones arguing, but all of us, something that may help us make better decisions in how we interact with others, on the internet or otherwise....
 

Majorbuddah

My real name is Dolemite
#34
people being called out on their shit publicly can be far more effective than in private. that's why it happens in natural conversation and debate. i won't go into details, be we've even seen that here before where someone is publicly lambasted for being a jackass and it corrects the behavior. when several people sit you down and tell you you're being an ass, it's a whole different story than a one on one hidden conversation about it. at least for most people IMO.

if public disputes are going on and on and disrupting conversation, then that's when moderators step in. that's in essence what it means to moderate discussion. but i think making blanket rules against what ideas can be shared publicly is shit-tier policy.

edit: also, what LSB said. because he's right.
 

Cyan

Well-Known Member
#35
yeah, i disagree with that. it's one thing to censor specific language, but it's another thing to censor ideas. you say "if this was allowed" then yada yada would happen... well yada yada never happened. and i don't see it happening.

public accusations might be impolite at times but they're vital to real conversation. ultimately it comes down to how a rule like this is enforced, and i trust the mods here not to be dick heads, but the bottom line is that censoring ideas is a negative policy all around. if someone attacks your character and you feel it's unjustified then you can either ignore it or articulate why they're wrong. this isn't a fucking kindergarten and nobody deserves special protection from being offended.

http://i.imgur.com/KghXhKk.jpg
I disagree with this. We're here to make quallity posts, and have our voices heard by eachother and make friends. We're not here to offend eachother by talking shit about eachother. It's one thing to say WiiU has no games, but it's another to say "Cyan is a shitty poster who should be banned." (Note: no one said that, nor do I think people are thinking it. It's just a example. I used myself so no one else would be offended. See how easy that was? :p )

I'm not saying we shouldn't have fun, or be relaxed, but I don't think we should try to get people lynched. People should have respect for the site they go to enough to at least respect the people on it's opinion. If a person isn't doing that I'd question why they'd waste their time on this site.

Besides, it's not like people can never call me a piece of shit. They just have to do so in a PM so it doesn't a) distract from topics at hand, or b) get unfair. :p
 
#36
"articulate why they're wrong"
.... :))

I'm not sure how you're supposed to effectively articulate why an opinion is wrong. It's just about as ineffective as gay rights supporters trying to articulate why a person finding two men kissing is disgusting. If you think someone is idiotic, there is no "one response" to completely shifting their opinion.
By saying "so what," you're effectively saying "deal with it". In real life, how do human beings deal with feeling harassed or insulted? Well, one of three things end up happening. We either A, ignore the person, B, start a verbal or physical struggle, or C, commit suicide. Seeing not everyone is capable of doing A, it becomes readily apparent that the best course of action is to prevent B or C from happening as much as possible.
Here, the community has the power to make it what they want it to be. Of course, there's a level as to how much something should be regulated. Whether people want this community to be as cruel and chaotic as a society without many necessary rules or as civil as one with necessary rules is up to them. All, I'm saying is that a medium can be found, but don't put too much weight on my comments.
I'm just the conscience.
 

Majorbuddah

My real name is Dolemite
#37
well, sorry cyan but if i think you're being stupid then i'm going to say it. and if there are rules against that, then they are shitty rules. your idea that people are either here to converse and make friends or simply talk shit about each other is a false dichotomy. there's a healthy balance to be struck there, and that's what it means to be a part of a community. if you crave controlled conversation then go join a cult.
 

Cyan

Well-Known Member
#38
@lightsaberblues Wow, I didn't think of it like that. And that is true that sometimes it's good in the end. I tend to reflect on what happened better myself when it's public, as well as control myself better, but at the same time I don't wanna come here to fight battle after battle and feel hated by half the members here (note that last part is a exaderation, and I don't feel like that.)

I mean we should have the option to defend ourselves without having to fight our enemies off with a stick as well. I mean the last thing wanted to do when I got back was jump right into a fight with Aki(Give me some time to take off my shoes, Aki :p ) .

You are right that there is no black or white in this though.
 

Juegos

All mods go to heaven.
Moderator
#39
if public disputes are going on and on and disrupting conversation, then that's when moderators step in. that's in essence what it means to moderate discussion. but i think making blanket rules against what ideas can be shared publicly is shit-tier policy.
Fair enough.
Though we sit and talk about it here as if we were making blanket rules (and I guess that felt like it was the goal), I believe that through the different situations that come up in the past, we have shown that we do in fact treat each case differently. It helps that we always talk about it internally (meaning me and Matt, and if necessary, others), to help each other understand nuances to each specific situation that we might forget individually, or that would go unnoticed if we just went by with general rules.
That is also true of this latest drama. But we do ask for opinions to keep ourselves grounded and with good sense for what is and what isn't good for the community.
 

Majorbuddah

My real name is Dolemite
#40
"articulate why they're wrong"
.... :))

I'm not sure how you're supposed to effectively articulate why an opinion is wrong. It's just about as ineffective as gay rights supporters trying to articulate why a person finding two men kissing is disgusting. If you think someone is idiotic, there is no "one response" to completely shifting their opinion.
By saying "so what," you're effectively saying "deal with it". In real life, how do human beings deal with feeling harassed or insulted? Well, one of three things end up happening. We either A, ignore the person, B, start a verbal or physical struggle, or C, commit suicide. Seeing not everyone is capable of doing A, it becomes readily apparent that the best course of action is to prevent B or C from happening as much as possible.
Here, the community has the power to make it what they want it to be. Of course, there's a level as to how much something should be regulated. Whether people want this community to be as cruel and chaotic as a society without many necessary rules or as civil as one with necessary rules is up to them. All, I'm saying is that a medium can be found, but put too much weight on my comments.
I'm just the conscience.
it's my opinion that you're a fucking idiot. i suppose you have no way of articulating why you think my opinion is wrong. now you have to choose between ignoring me, getting into a "verbal or physical struggle" (where the verbal portion would actually be articulating why you think i'm wrong) or fucking killing yourself. opinions are not infallible. there are, in fact wrong or shitty opinions. too many people can't comprehend that.

great post.
 

Majorbuddah

My real name is Dolemite
#41
if public disputes are going on and on and disrupting conversation, then that's when moderators step in. that's in essence what it means to moderate discussion. but i think making blanket rules against what ideas can be shared publicly is shit-tier policy.
Fair enough.
Though we sit and talk about it here as if we were making blanket rules (and I guess that felt like it was the goal), I believe that through the different situations that come up in the past, we have shown that we do in fact treat each case differently. It helps that we always talk about it internally (meaning me and Matt, and if necessary, others), to help each other understand nuances to each specific situation that we might forget individually, or that would go unnoticed if we just went by with general rules.
That is also true of this latest drama. But we do ask for opinions to keep ourselves grounded and with good sense for what is and what isn't good for the community.
i appreciate you guys asking what we think. that goes further to make this a great community than the actual rules themselves IMO.
 

TheAmazingLSB

PLEASE UNDERSTAND....
#42
Is this about people being harassed or about people calling each other out on the boards...? Because I find them to be two completely separate things.... While being called out and then the issuing argument can lead to harassment, it hasn't in my case....
In fact I would be interested to know if anyone on these boards has ever felt harassed in any way shape or form.... I'm not sure it has happened.... At least since I've been here, which arguably hasn't been as long as others....
Could somebody help shed some light on whether someone has actually ever been or felt harassed on the TNE boards...?
 
#43
Perhaps I didn't argue my point correctly.
In life, one (or all depending on how crazy they are lol) of those three WILL happen and they WILL happen here regardless of what anyone expects.
The goal is to prevent the board from delving off topic. However you all choose prevent harassment and senseless conflict is up to you all and personally, I don't see how any of the the currently suggested regulations will disrupt the course of this board.
 

Cyan

Well-Known Member
#45
well, sorry cyan but if i think you're being stupid then i'm going to say it. and if there are rules against that, then they are shitty rules. your idea that people are either here to converse and make friends or simply talk shit about each other is a false dichotomy. there's a healthy balance to be struck there, and that's what it means to be a part of a community. if you crave controlled conversation then go join a cult.
I'm not saying people can't disagree, but I do think people should try to keep it civil. Also there's no need to join a cult when I'm willing to bet the site won't allow the kind of chaos you want. If you don't follow the rules you'll be moderated, or maybe even banned. If you don't like a "sites shitty" rules go make your own. Cause I'm sure @Menashe (?) isn't paying the server, bandwidth, and domain name costs to hear posts he could already get from 4chan.
 

Majorbuddah

My real name is Dolemite
#46
well, sorry cyan but if i think you're being stupid then i'm going to say it. and if there are rules against that, then they are shitty rules. your idea that people are either here to converse and make friends or simply talk shit about each other is a false dichotomy. there's a healthy balance to be struck there, and that's what it means to be a part of a community. if you crave controlled conversation then go join a cult.
I'm not saying people can't disagree, but I do think people should try to keep it civil. Also there's no need to join a cult when I'm willing to bet the site won't allow the kind of chaos you want. If you don't follow the rules you'll be moderated, or maybe even banned. If you don't like a "sites shitty" rules go make your own. Cause I'm sure @Menashe (?) isn't paying the server, bandwidth, and domain name costs to hear posts he could already get from 4chan.
we do keep it civil the vast majority of the time (probably one in 1,000 posts contain some uncalled for shit), and the site is currently the exact kind of "chaos" i want. if i didn't like it then i wouldn't have posted here thousands of times. you're the one who doesn't seem to like it here given your recent childish ass drama, so why don't YOU go make your own site instead of supporting rules against people hurting your precious feelings. menashe will do whatever the fuck he wants to do, and i'm sure that any one poster's emotions don't have anything to do with it.
 

Juegos

All mods go to heaven.
Moderator
#47
One thing that always acts as a buffer between what someone says and what the other person hears is the intention understood to be behind what is being said.
Let's say I have been an asshole recently, and Buddah tells me, publicly in the CT, something like this: "listen man, I think you gotta take it easy for a day or two. I've noticed you've been snapping out at people recently, obviously there's some other issue that you need to resolve. Honestly, you gotta go do that because your posts becoming more frustrating to read, and I'm sure that's the same for other people".
It would be a completely different thing if he came in and said, "get rekd juegos, stop posting stupid shit, I'm up to here with your bullshit".
So that's also on a case to case basis, and it makes it very difficult for the person being told something to steer back into a civil direction. It would be very hard for me to rectify myself publicly if Buddah posted that, and chances are would respond very defensively and get nowhere better.
So yeah, the issue does get complex, and I'll agree again that blanket rulings help very little.
 

TheAmazingLSB

PLEASE UNDERSTAND....
#49
That's the big thing people like to use against me lately.... I'm constantly being called out for being off topic around here.... :p
I think the word balance is important though.... Because if you tilt this place in only one direction then I see it becoming one dimensional in terms of playing it safe all the time....
I mean we are trying to prevent basically what happened between Cyan and I from happening between anyone else, but at the same time what happened between us is kind of part of that balance....
I like to think I'm a reasonable person in most respects, but at the same time I can be very unreasonable at times depending on the situation....
You can punish me for that, but I will probably never learn anything about my unreasonable behavior that way.... By letting people come to their own conclusions about themselves and the way they act they usually learn something from it....
I know that I did.... and to be honest I hope others did as well.... Hopefully other posters around here learned something about how to deal with a situation like what had happened between me and Cyan all without ever having to deal with it themselves....
To me that is worth perhaps having to see a meltdown on the boards in terms of what might or might not be considered inappropriate behavior every now and again....
 
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