The Nintendo Next Gen system is real and has a name... NX

TechnoHobbit

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At first I was against this because the stigma associated with phones, but then I remembered Android can be modified and made into whatever they want (see Fire OS).

This would fit in with Nintendo wanting a scalable OS, an Android based OS could run on both the NX (handheld) and the next home console with ease and allow for streamlined cross-platform development for both systems. I don't buy the hybrid theory and think Nintendo will continue developing unique games on both systems (to give more reason to buy both systems and certain resource intensive games would struggle on a handheld), but for titles like Mario Kart, Smash, and certain third-party titles it would be great.
 

Juegos

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I'll admit I read this on 4chan, but some guy there was saying the Japanese was mistranslated and that it originally said, "Android-type" OS, which would mean any kind of OS that is cross-platform and open to third parties. So not necessarily Android, just that it will work that way by being the same OS on multiple devices, which is what we already knew from a year and a half ago.
 

EvilTw1n

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According to Nikkei, The NX will have a Android OS.

That's quite a development ! That means that Nintendo finally realized that they need to rely on specialist on specific features they don't master. OS is clearly one of them, Nintendo hardwares have never been praised for their OS.

Another area is online and we learned earlier this year, that Nintendo is going to use the expertise of DENA on the matter.

I really LOVE this new Nintendo who is thinking outside the box ( and outside Nintendo ).


Source : http://ie.ign.com/articles/2015/06/01/report-nintendos-codename-nx-platform-will-be-android-based
Yeah, @theMightyME mentioned that in the CT. It's an interesting idea, but the real-world practicality is a bit less clear. On the positive side, Android is a snappy performer, so long as the hardware is in good shape and isn't stuffed with bloatware. They could customize a version of Android that would make integrating with DeNA's games easier.

But...Google has been moving more and more of Android under the Play Services banner and it seems unlikely Nintendo would go from "we call all the shots" to agreeing to terms for Google Mobile Services and shipping a product with the Play store available, anyway (access to mobile games tailored around phone touchscreens would not solve Nintendo's third party woes, it'd crowd things for indies, and there's a lot of junk on the Play store that Nintendo probably isn't keen on). So we'd be talking a highly customized OS based on open-source Android, not the Android people think of from their phone. Nintendo would have to kludge the Virtual Console and eShop onto a new OS (again). And the OS performance is still dependent on the hardware Nintendo chooses for NX (you can have a laggy-ass phone if you shoehorn an up-to-date Android build onto something that can't handle it, although KitKat was supposed to help there).

TBH, it seems an odd fit. And as I'm about to hit reply...
I'll admit I read this on 4chan, but some guy there was saying the Japanese was mistranslated and that it originally said, "Android-type" OS, which would mean any kind of OS that is cross-platform and open to third parties. So not necessarily Android, just that it will work that way by being the same OS on multiple devices, which is what we already knew from a year and a half ago.
That would honestly make a lot more sense.
 

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So I've been wondering from forum to forum today trying to get the latest on this news.

And people seem to be really poopoo on this android idea. And I'm not just visiting Nintendo sites.
 

Odo

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I don't think it's a bad idea at all, but I think it's not really Android but a version of it, an OS based on Android's kernel or something like that.

It's too open source for Nintendo just put on their hardware. They're security nuts.
 

theMightyME

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I don't think it's a bad idea at all, but I think it's not really Android but a version of it, an OS based on Android's kernel or something like that.

It's too open source for Nintendo just put on their hardware. They're security nuts.
yeah an AOSP mod specific to Nintendo, like Amazon's Fire os

AOSP= android open source project btw, which is the standalone version of android without play services
 

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Ex-Actarus

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To be fair, Nintendo denies plenty of things that end up being true, but I'm inclined to believe 'em on this. It doesn't seem to be a practical solution (it just gives them yet another square peg to fit into a number of round holes).
I will stick with Nikkei on this one. I mean they have a pretty incredible track record when it comes to Nintendo. They know Nintendo inside out and they have very good sources inside Nintendo. I even think Nintendo uses Nikkei at times to launch rumors...

Besides, that's pretty rare for Nintendo do deny rumors. Most of the time, they just say : "we don't comment on rumors". I think they reacted that way because they was too much chatter about the security concerns of Android OS. If your read the Wall Street Journal article, here is what the journalist says later on :

"While analysts could mostly see the positives of an Android-based Nintendo game console, they also said possible security issues may not mesh well with Nintendo’s strategy of appealing to non-core gaming audiences such as children, women and families".
That's a pretty heavy concern for Nintendo here. Your future platform is not even out and people are already questioning its security ? Nintendo had to react. This is just damage control. That information wasn't supposed to come out like this.

But in the end, I think that Nikkei is right : Nintendo is working with Google for the OS of NX. But it's probably a custom OS designed specifically for NX ( with enhanced security of course ). And to be fair, Nintendo did not deny working with Google for the NX. They just say they won't use Android, that doesn't mean they won't use a custom version ot it :)
 
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EvilTw1n

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I will stick with Nikkei on this one. I mean they have a pretty incredible track record when it comes to Nintendo. They know Nintendo inside out and they have very good sources inside Nintendo. I even think Nintendo uses Nikkei at times to launch rumors...

Besides, that's pretty rare for Nintendo do deny rumors. Most of the time, they just say : "we don't comment on rumors". I think they reacted that way because they was too much chatter about the security concerns of Android OS. If your read the Wall Street Journal article, here is what the journalist says later on :



That's a pretty heavy concern for Nintendo here. Your future platform is not even out and people are already questioning its security ? Nintendo had to react. This is just damage control. That information wasn't supposed to come out like this.

But in the end, I think that Nikkei is right : Nintendo is working with Google for the OS of NX. But it's probably a custom OS designed specifically for NX ( with enhanced security of course ). And to be fair, Nintendo did not deny working with Google for the NX. They just say they won't use Android, that doesn't mean they won't use a custom version ot it :)
Nikkei may indeed be right. But "no comment" or "we have nothing to announce at this time" are usual PR speak for a very good reason - it allows spokespeople to back track. A flat-out denial does not.

But meh, no one knows squat. NX is a console that's still in the spitball stage of development.
 

Ex-Actarus

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Nikkei may indeed be right. But "no comment" or "we have nothing to announce at this time" are usual PR speak for a very good reason - it allows spokespeople to back track. A flat-out denial does not.

But meh, no one knows squat. NX is a console that's still in the spitball stage of development.
Actually, Nintendo has in two occasion backtracked from denial in some ways : the 3DS XL and the Mobile gaming. On both occasions, Nikkei came up with the news and Nintendo denied it. We know what happened next... :)

Trust me, Nikkei knows their stuff. I followed Nintendo news for years ! And Nikkei is always right ! This is not Kotaku , it's closer to Wall Street Journal solid.


Source 1 : http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2012/06/05-1/nintendo-denies-rumors-of-a-larger-3ds

Source 2 : http://www.slashgear.com/nintendo-mobile-games-denied-nikkei-mix-up-28314687/
 

Shoulder

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I don't think the idea of an Android-based OS is a bad idea, quite frankly. Sure, some people talk abotu piracy, but that's simply how the programmers design the Android we all know for mobile phones. Android, like anything else really, can be modified to such an extent to allow Nintendo to do their own bidding within the confines of still making it more open for third party developers, both Indie and AAA.

But the OS is only part of the story. The big question then becomes what sort of architecture and hardware will the NX have. Hell, what in the name of all that's Holy is the NX going to be, and what is this "new concept" they have in mind? Will this new concept be a pain for developers to utilize? We officially don't know how Nintendo will approach this, but speculation is pointing towards a more developer-friendly machine that allows developers to not necessarily recode their engines just to work for the system, like it currently is for the Wii U. That being said, the Wii U has never been a difficult system to program for, but because of the architecture with RISC, and an emphasis on Integer processing versus Floating point, developers were simply having a more difficult time adjusting to the Wii U's spec, it became less cost effective in the end.

Now, Nintendo have been very open to Indie developers, who have had usually nothing but positive things to say about them, but their games are usually not as complex as some AAA offerings, so utilizing the hardware effective isn't as daunting as it is for others (i.e. SMS for Project CARS). But even some Indie devs such as Shin'en have reported that to fully utilize the Wii U's hardware does take a lot of effort and work to get it right. This is I think mostly why FAST Racing Neo has taken so long for them to get ready, and we still haven't seen any footage of it. A term was used that the game uses a lot of "Smoke and mirrors" otherwise the game would run at crappy framerates. Well, that is not surprising in the least since all games use a form of smoke and mirrors, even on systems like the PS4 and X1. Hell, PC games still use tricks to get better performance results, so it's not that surprising really.

In the end, I'm slowly adopting to the idea that Nintendo should opt for a more open hardware and software platform so developers have less pains to create games. I used to be against this because Nintendo have been using this same approach for over decade, and it has allowed BC to remain on their systems since then, and they're very familiar with the specs. Some people don't like BC, but PC has had it for decades now, so why couldn't consoles? But anyway, I have no clue what sort of architecture or hardware the NX will use, but at this point, as long as this new concept is easy for developers to utilize and the hardware is friendly enough for them to not have to recreate and recode their engines for one console, it would be a win-win for all of us.
 

EvilTw1n

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Saying something is "conjecture" is a bit different than saying something doesn't exist, Ex. But there's no way to know, one way or the other. This particular bit of info may certainly be accurate. But simply assuming an Android OS will be easier for all involve is misleading, too, for these sorts of reasons:
But the OS is only part of the story. The big question then becomes what sort of architecture and hardware will the NX have. Hell, what in the name of all that's Holy is the NX going to be, and what is this "new concept" they have in mind? Will this new concept be a pain for developers to utilize? We officially don't know how Nintendo will approach this, but speculation is pointing towards a more developer-friendly machine that allows developers to not necessarily recode their engines just to work for the system, like it currently is for the Wii U. That being said, the Wii U has never been a difficult system to program for, but because of the architecture with RISC, and an emphasis on Integer processing versus Floating point, developers were simply having a more difficult time adjusting to the Wii U's spec, it became less cost effective in the end.
Precisely. A different OS doesn't correlate to major third party support, really (the PS4 apparently uses a Unix-y OS, while the One uses some iteration of Windows, fwiw; Win is common for anyone who has made a PC game, but it hasn't stopped devs making PS4 games). Compared to past console generations, all of the boxes this time are way more similar (SoC with pooled memory across the board, AMD GPUs across the board, conventional input schemes across the board), and it hasn't mattered. The time spent by third parties on porting to Wii U is usually better spent on fixing PS4/One games, adding patches, and making DLC. You could have the Wii U running Android right now and it wouldn't change any of that.

What really seems to make sense for Android would be NX built with DeNA in mind, linking up mobile smart games to Nintendo's games.
 

Ex-Actarus

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I'm won't be surprised that stuff is happening in the background between Nintendo and Google. And maybe Nintendo is not the only major player to go for an Android OS...

I was thinking about Amazon. I mean as said above they're using an Android based OS for their mobile devices, but what about gaming ? If Amazon spent up to 70 million for the CryEngine, I doubt this is just for games for the Amazon TV. There must be something else behind it, but what ? Who knows...

And let's not leave Nvidia aside because they're a niche player. They are kind of the pioneers here with core gaming and Android OS. By the way, Nvidia made a partnership with Amazon for the Shield. Basically, you have Amazon TV in the Sheild. That's dope ! I have to say that the Shield could give us a VERY good idea of what NX could be...

Source : http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...-nvidia-and-amazon-shield-pro-coming-in-june/
 

Odo

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Saying something is "conjecture" is a bit different than saying something doesn't exist, Ex. But there's no way to know, one way or the other. This particular bit of info may certainly be accurate. But simply assuming an Android OS will be easier for all involve is misleading, too, for these sorts of reasons:

Precisely. A different OS doesn't correlate to major third party support, really (the PS4 apparently uses a Unix-y OS, while the One uses some iteration of Windows, fwiw; Win is common for anyone who has made a PC game, but it hasn't stopped devs making PS4 games). Compared to past console generations, all of the boxes this time are way more similar (SoC with pooled memory across the board, AMD GPUs across the board, conventional input schemes across the board), and it hasn't mattered. The time spent by third parties on porting to Wii U is usually better spent on fixing PS4/One games, adding patches, and making DLC. You could have the Wii U running Android right now and it wouldn't change any of that.

What really seems to make sense for Android would be NX built with DeNA in mind, linking up mobile smart games to Nintendo's games.
Yes!

The only way Android would help Nintendo make things easier for devs would be adopting Android in a way that any Android game could be released for NX without recoding. That would mean that Nintendo is making an agreement with Google and it means that Nintendo would be vulnerable for any kind of security issues Android has. Nintendo hates using other parties' technologies.

If Nintendo is just taking Android kernel so it's just Android kernel, it's like a Linux distro. In that case Nintendo would be creating his own OS based on Android/Linux and not just installing Android.

So "Nintendo using Android" could be Nintendo installing Android or Nintendo developing a total new OS based on core Android/Linux code.

The latter option means: a Nintendo OS, because the kernel isn't really important for the devs in my opinion. PS4 has a Linux-ishy and X1 uses Windows and devs are happy. For me devs are more concerned about arquitecture.

Anyway, I don't think Nintendo are dealing with Google and Android-mobile-OS at all.
 
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