Your lineup?

hogge

Active Member
#1
I believe that we all can agree that the Wii U lineup from first and second parties is questionable at best. I don't really see a software drought, I see more of a problem that Nintendo have greenlit the wrong games.So this thread is about what you think Nintendo should have done.Now I'm not 100% sure of how much resources went in to each of Nintendos games, but I'm going to try to be as fair and realistic against Nintendo as possible.Nintendoland - Replaced by Wave RaceThe Wii U needed a game to show what the gamepad could do. But did that game really need so much resources, with Wario Inc only a few months away? No, the resources would have been better spent on creating a graphically astonishing, deep and modern sequel to Wave Race. A game that could have proven that the Wii U is indeed more powerful than the XB360 and PS3.New New New Mario Bros - Replaced by Mario 3D World
Yes, it could have missed launch, but let's face it: 3D world feels a bit cheap, with its obviously tile based worlds, zoomed out camera etc. Putting it simply: had Nintendo not invested resources into making NSMBU, they could've released a souped up version of Mario 3D Land, with extra levels and features. It wouldn't have been as good as the Mario 3D world we got in the end, but by christmas 2013, they could have made a truly proper 3D Mario.

Wario Inc - Replaced by Nintendoland

Warioware is a bit of a niche title, and I think these developers should have created a much more appealing game. Colourful 2D HD graphics, creative utilities of the gamepad and then pack it in with every sold Wii U.

Wind Waker HD - Replaced by Majora's Mask

This is a bit of a toughie. The main reason I think that WW was wrong is because of its graphical style. Firstly, the graphical style does not appeal to the Dragonage/Skyrim crowd. Secondly, everyone whom I've spoken to who likes Wind Waker, has stated that one great thing about the graphics is that they've aged very well. Hence, what's the bleeding point in remaking it? I was initially going to write that they should have remade Ocarina of Time again, but the thing is that it's already been remade.
A proper remakeof Majora's Mask could however appeal to the core, mature gamer very well.

Pikmin 3- Left as is

That's right, I acknoledged that Nintendo did something right for once.

Yarn Yoshi - Left as is
This is the one and only 2D platformer Nintendo should have announced for the Wii U within the first year after launch.

Wii Sports somethingorother - Left as is

Incredible 101 - Delayed for at least one year, replaced by Starfox

The team wants to do Starfox, and noone bought I101. To be honest, I could see I101 bombing from a mile away. My initial impression of this game was that it was a mix between Viewtiful Joe and Pikmin. Which isn't a good thing if you're launching your game nearly at the same time as the long awaited sequel to Pikmin. I acknowledge that it's a good game and that it should have come out, but the timing was all wrong. Platinum should have made that Starfox game they wanted to do first and THEN started making W101.

Donkey Kong: Tropical Freeze - Replaced x 2

Retro could have released an HD Version of DKCR for the launch of the Wii U, but I think that having released nothing but YET ANOTHER 2D scroller after a year and a half of the console being on the market is a bit of a joke. DKCR HD at launch, and then a secret project by now.
Since Retro are good at FPS style games, I'd say they should've made a spiritual successor to Goldeneye and Perfect Dark.

Wii Party U - Replaced by Mario 64 HD

WPU is yet another minigame compilation. What if the same developers could have instead used their resources to turn Mario 64 in to drop-dead gorgeous HD iteration of the grand daddy of all 3D platformers?

Wii Fit U - Replaced by new IP

To be honest, I have no idea of what type of compelling game that could be done with the resources used on the bombshell that is Wii Fit U. Thus I specify no more than stating it could have been a new IP.


So, that's my lineup for the Wii U. I feel that with this lineup, the Wii U could have actually sold way better. There's variety in genres, more beloved IP's and more titles that will be remembered in ten years. I can say that I most certainly would have given my Wii U more attention if this was the case. Do you agree? Or do you have your own suggestions?
 
#2
I don't think Nintendo should've replaced any games, just had more lol. It doesn't help that several got delayed from early 2013 to later in that year.
 

Menashe

Moderator
Moderator
#3
If I had to redo their releases I'd do it like this:

NintendoLand - replace with Wii U Sports
New Super Mario Bros U - keep
Wario Inc - replace with NintendoLand (and use the extra few months to add more)
Wind Waker HD - replace with Twilight Princess HD
Pikmin 3 - keep
Super Mario 3D World - keep
DKC Tropical Freeze - replace with Metroid game
 
#4
imo they shouldn't replace anything.However, if it was possible (I'm sure it wasn't though), putting games like Pikmin 3, Wii Fit U, Wind Waker HD and Tropical Freeze on the launch window (or close to it) would be goodAgain, I know it would be impossible because of all delays and stuff
 

Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

Well-Known Member
#5
If I had to redo their releases I'd do it like this:

NintendoLand - replace with Wii U Sports
New Super Mario Bros U - keep
Wario Inc - replace with NintendoLand (and use the extra few months to add more)
Wind Waker HD - replace with Twilight Princess HD
Pikmin 3 - keep
Super Mario 3D World - keep
DKC Tropical Freeze - replace with Metroid game
Nah. Nintendo Land is a good arcadey game.

Wind Waker HD would be bundled with Twilight Princess HD and Skyward Sword HD. WiiU launch game.
 

Menashe

Moderator
Moderator
#6
If I had to redo their releases I'd do it like this:

NintendoLand - replace with Wii U Sports
New Super Mario Bros U - keep
Wario Inc - replace with NintendoLand (and use the extra few months to add more)
Wind Waker HD - replace with Twilight Princess HD
Pikmin 3 - keep
Super Mario 3D World - keep
DKC Tropical Freeze - replace with Metroid game
Nah. Nintendo Land is a good arcadey game.

Wind Waker HD would be bundled with Twilight Princess HD and Skyward Sword HD. WiiU launch game.
NintendoLand being 'good' was never the question. It's just that Wii Sports was the top selling game last generation so it's potential as a marketing tool for Wii U's launch could have been pretty powerful.
 

Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

Well-Known Member
#7
If I had to redo their releases I'd do it like this:

NintendoLand - replace with Wii U Sports
New Super Mario Bros U - keep
Wario Inc - replace with NintendoLand (and use the extra few months to add more)
Wind Waker HD - replace with Twilight Princess HD
Pikmin 3 - keep
Super Mario 3D World - keep
DKC Tropical Freeze - replace with Metroid game
Nah. Nintendo Land is a good arcadey game.

Wind Waker HD would be bundled with Twilight Princess HD and Skyward Sword HD. WiiU launch game.
NintendoLand being 'good' was never the question. It's just that Wii Sports was the top selling game last generation so it's potential as a marketing tool for Wii U's launch could have been pretty powerful.
Most likely.

But NIntendo's been dealing with negative PR and messaging issue since they revealed the damn thing
 

hogge

Active Member
#8
If I had to redo their releases I'd do it like this:

NintendoLand - replace with Wii U Sports
New Super Mario Bros U - keep
Wario Inc - replace with NintendoLand (and use the extra few months to add more)
Wind Waker HD - replace with Twilight Princess HD
Pikmin 3 - keep
Super Mario 3D World - keep
DKC Tropical Freeze - replace with Metroid game
Nah. Nintendo Land is a good arcadey game.

Wind Waker HD would be bundled with Twilight Princess HD and Skyward Sword HD. WiiU launch game.
NintendoLand being 'good' was never the question. It's just that Wii Sports was the top selling game last generation so it's potential as a marketing tool for Wii U's launch could have been pretty powerful.
Most likely.

But NIntendo's been dealing with negative PR and messaging issue since they revealed the damn thing
That in essence is the whole point of this thread: how Nintendo, within the bounds of reality, could have made the Wii U more successful and enjoyable. And stating that Zelda Team not only should have released a certain game a whole year earlier, and bundled with two more games at that is clearly not realistic. Nintendo have released as many games as they could, and the only way they could have done better would have been to improve the variety.Stating that it's fine for Nintendo to announce three games in each of two genres (NSMB, DLCR, Yarn Yoshi are 2D platformers and Nintendoland, Wario Inc and Wii Party U are minigame compilations), while completely ignoring basic stuff like racing games is just sticking your head in the sand.
I've been a Nintendo fan since the N64 days, but if Nintendo don't CONSIDERABLY improve their priorities, the Wii U will be the last console I'll buy at launch. We've reached a point where Nintendo fans SHOULD be more cross with Nintendo than the nay-sayers, because there's a list of probably ten games for which we've been waiting at least a decade.
 

Odo

Well-Known Member
#9
November 2012- New Super Mario Bros U
- Wind Waker HD
Yes, like Wii with Twilight Princes

2013 - S1

- Super Mario 3D World
- Nintendoland
- Wii Party U

2013 - S2

- Mario Kart 8
- Yarn Yoshi
- Luigi U
- Wonderful 101

2014 - S1

- Smash Bros
- Pikmin 3
- RETRO game, I don't know what, but DKC wouldn't be my choice
- Wario Inc
- Wii Fit U
 
#10
Only changes I would have made is put Wii Sports in for Nintendoland, and replace Game&Wario w/ Nintendoland(allowing them to add more games and at least add online leader boards). Wii Sports U would be the original 5 sports, plus the more popular sports from Resort, plus 2-3 new ones that really utilize the Gamepad.
 

EvilTw1n

Even my henchmen think I'm crazy.
Moderator
#11
If I had to redo their releases I'd do it like this:


NintendoLand - replace with Wii U Sports

New Super Mario Bros U - keep

Wario Inc - replace with NintendoLand (and use the extra few months to add more)

Wind Waker HD - replace with Twilight Princess HD

Pikmin 3 - keep

Super Mario 3D World - keep

DKC Tropical Freeze - replace with Metroid game
Pretty close to what I'd have in mind, except that I'd keep Wind Waker (I love me some Twilight Princess, but there was a logic to releasing WW again) and put Retro on an all-new IP for launch.
 

ASuch

The Salt Master
#12
I don't think Nintendo should've replaced any games, just had more lol. It doesn't help that several got delayed from early 2013 to later in that year.
This. Although some of the Mario stuff is questionable.
If they released and experimented with new franchises, they wouldn't have such a poor public opinion. Instead of "lol the wii u sux no games lol" it would be more of "this console has some pretty cool and interesting games, but i'm not fond of the gamepad"
One of the games that gathered everyone from almost every fanbase, Nintendo, Sony, MS, etc. was X. Because it really wasn't seen before. A new Mario game won't surprise anyone except maybe us. But hell, seeing X? Especially if you're not familiar with Xenoblade? Many fanboys of other consoles said that X was the best reveal of the January Direct because of how different and awesome it looks. They weren't as surprised or excited about a new Mario Kart or Smash, it was a game that doesn't look Nintendo to them.
 

theMightyME

Owner of The Total Screen
#13
I think Nintendoland should have been approached differently and not been a launch game... the game should have felt like a themepark instead of just a big circle, an explorable themepark with worlds for all the games that you organically enter and that have multiple attratcions that you also organically enter with a prompt that other players can join in... they eneded to nail that feeling of being in a theme park like disneyland.. and they didn't... they also should have trimmed down the number of games and amde them all good insetad of just throwing in whatever.. and lastly it should have been planend for FREE dlc expansions that went alongside game releases.... so the pikmin attratcion shouldn't have been at launch but came out as dlc a month before pikmin 3... they also could have tied new remix in as an arcade in the park... it hsould have been a launch game though... and definitely not THE pack-in...

nsmbu was not a abd idea.. and as poorly as it sold the wii u would have done far worse without it.. it was pretty much the ONLY key 1st party title at launch... what hurt them here was nsmb2 on the 3ds... it was just overkill and brought on franchise fatigue... as bad as the wii u launch was it would have been multiple times worse without nsmbu

pikmin 3 should have been a launch game... just period.. it should have... and it should have also been more ambitious with its use of the gamepad instead of focusing on the wii remote controls

there was nothing wrong with w101... nintendo just f'd up their promotion of it... as was also the case for lego city undercover... both could have been huge if they had been handled right... they shoudl ahve gone all in with w101... put a cartoon alongside it, toys... I know the common reaction to this is that it is too ahrd for kids.. poppycock... we played games that hard as kids... ghouls and ghosts, megaman, ninja gaiden, etc... as for lego city... they just needed comercials for it as they do with f'n every game in their lineup.... seriously.. why in the hell doesn't nitnendo advertise anymore... it is like they woke up one day and said "meh... lets stop"

that brigns me to the biggest point.. the biggest issue with the wii u launch was advertising.. they had a pretty crappy ad that confused mroe than it informed and then puleld that ad and replaced it with NOTHING for months and months and months... hell for almost a year... and then they came back with family friendly ads that were rarelys een on family friendly content... it is as if Nintendo's idea of advertising is dropping a video aimed at families into their youtube account that is aimed at nintendo hardcore... it is like walking into a porno shop and saying "tickets to disneyland? I ahve tickets to disneyland if anyone wants to buy them"

after the launch their biggest problem seems to be that they didn't bother putting any games into production past what they had for the launch window (which expanded from 5 months to 17).. the 3ds is alrgely at fault for this as nintendo has admitted to pulling support on wii u games in order to get the 3ds rolling when it started failing
 
#14
Launch 2012
- New Super Mario Bros U
- Wii Sports HD
- Wii Fit U
- Pikmin 3lor: rgb(252, 252, 252);">
2013 - Q1/Q2

- Wonderful 101
- Mario Kart 8
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2013 - Q3/Q4

- Super Mario 3D World
- Nintendo Land
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2014 - Q1/Q2

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- F-Zero Wii U
- Mario Party 10
2014 - Q3/Q4

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- Legend of Zelda U

- Kid Icarus Wii U
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- Wii Fit U 2
 
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